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I don't know about that. Here's the thing with Brock and his matches:

Against Cena, it was just a type of match we haven't seen in WWE in a long time if ever, and that's a truly vicious, bloody fight with one man getting absolutely dismantled. It was refreshing and awesome to see Cena take a beating, and believable in terms of who delivered it and how it was delivered. Everything in the match and leading to the match was just aligned properly to create an awesome atmosphere, a unique match for WWE today, and as said, watching Cena getting beaten to near death is awesome. That being said, Lesnar himself and his work in the match, wasn't what made the match, and take a backseat to everything I said above. That being said, of course he's a big part of the reason for the incredible atmosphere, and I'm not trying to discount stuff like licking Cena's blood off his hands and the sick dive that could've killed him, but as I said, I feel the overall awesomness of the match is down to the natural elements associated with a guy like Lesnar, and just the general uniqueness of the match that was booked, and not necessarily because of Lesnar's "workrate".

That being said, I thought his workrate himself was better in the Summerslam match against HHH, which isn't half the match Lesnar/Cena was. It didn't have anywhere near the atmosphere Lesnar/Cena (not saying it wasn't a great atmosphere, but still), didn't have the brutality, and Brock had already lost by that point and had lost some of his "invincibleness", not to mention HHH getting the better of him on Raw 1000 in a straight-up, albeit quick, "fight".

But I'm digressing from Lesnar as the best worker talk... I just can't put him above guys like Punk, Sheamus and Bryan who go out there, and can have much better matches on a weekly basis than Lesnar/HHH, without all the intangibles that match had that had little to nothing to do with being a great worker. Well, in my opinion anyway. Lesnar in 02-04 is a different story, and still to this day he has what could be argued as the biggest presence in the history of wrestling, if not one of the biggest. He has so many intangibles going for him, that in the case of a match like Cena where they take those intangibles and add in the brutality to go along with Lesnar's strengths and create a unique atmosphere, it works and makes a damn near classic. In the case of HHH's match, it just didn't work the same imo, partially though because of the result of Lesnar/Cena.
Knocked it out of the park. It's the intangibles of Brock that draws me to his matches these days more than his workrate, style of matches, etc. Nothing wrong with those types of guys, but I'm more of " 'rasslin" type of guy. Give me an old school formula of story, drama, and of course, DAT WORKRATE.
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Old 02-07-2013, 07:54 PM   #16872 (permalink)
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I'd say Savage/Steamboat is definitely a top 5 match of '87. Don't know if it'd be #1, but I'm not recalling a ton of stuff that necessarily has a better claim. All Japan wasn't all that good in '87, and most of the stuff that looked like it could be great on paper wound up being disappointing. New Japan has Fujiwara/Choshu and...IDK. I'm probably forgetting other NJ stuff, though. Lucha? Can't think of anything offhand. Can't think of any other WWF match that's fucking with it (closest is probably another Savage/Steamboat match, actually). Crockett had the Flair/Windham matches. Mid-South had Murdoch/Windham, but otherwise was in the midst of being swallowed up by Crockett. Memphis had the Lawler/Idol cage match. I'm honestly not convinced any of those matches bar Fujiwara/Choshu are better than Savage/Steamboat, and I say that as someone that had talked ad nauseum about how it wasn't all it was cracked up to be for years (before I watched the whole feud again and changed my mind).
Santo/Casas, Bockwinkel/Hennig and the first WarGames sprung to mind. I said 'IDK if it's top 5-10', which is a stretch because looking at it on paper I'm convinced it's top ten, but I think I'd take Santo/Casas, a Flair/Windham (whichever the best one is....IDR), Murdoch/Windham, and Fujiwara/Choshu over it. So yeah, that's four.....I guess it's top 5 fo me? I'd have to watch everything and actually think about it (which I ain't doing).

I guess there's only a couple there I think are DEFINITELY better, but I was never sure when saying the original statement anyway. Goddamn...I think every match I've mentioned here has an actual shot at the #1 spot if I were doing a top matches of 87.

I still think Han v Tamura 9/26/97 is the best sub-fifteen minute match ever. Shit....it might be sub-ten minutes.

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Using the title belt almost like a whip into Windham's face.
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I decided to start a Smackdown 2006 project since A) I've seen this year for Smackdown pimped in this thread on multiple occasions and 2) My WWF 2000 project is boring me since outside of a few matches and some FOLEY promos, it's been utter shite. I assume it gets better as the year progresses, but January 2000 isn't that good outside of the obvious matches. I could see how most could enjoy while watching it live back in the day but when it comes to match quality, I prefer modern day WWE to Attitude Era WWF everyday of the week. I've seen some matches on Raw is War and Smackdown that could have ended up being good, but they were cut short and never got more than three minutes. Anyway...

JBL vs. Matt Hardy (Falls Count Anywhere) - January 6th, 2006
This match was fine for the six minutes or so that it received. Any brawl involving JBL is (mostly) good and Matt Hardy is fine at times as a worker. JBL cuts a promo before the match and makes fun of Matt Hardy for being a huge GEEK. These two beat up each other throughout the course of match, with the announce table breaking about two-three minutes into the match. JBL kills Hardy with a stiff chair shot across the back, which I thoroughly enjoyed. They eventually brawl up to JBL's limo, where Matt Hardy hits JBL in the head with a trash can lid about six times before setting up a ladder next to the limo to presumably hit a fallen JBL with a leg drop. JBL's image consultant, Jillian Hall, grabs Hardy's leg and holds him until JBL can recover and hit Hardy in with a trash can twice before Hardy crashes onto the hood of the limo, where JBL picks up the win. I might include this on the "Best of Smackdown 2006" comp I might make for myself when I finish this project just because JBL is probably my all time favorite wrestler.
Rating: **

Chris Benoit vs. Randy Orton - January 6th, 2006
This match only received about eight minutes of TV time before it ended but those eight minutes we received were pretty damn good before the terrible finish. I understand that they didn't want Orton to take the clean loss going into Match 7 next week on Smackdown, but Orlando Jordan of all people running in, stealing Booker T's crutch, and hitting Benoit with it to cause the DQ just royally sucked. We have match seven coming up on the January 13th edition of Smackdown and from what I've heard, it's pretty damn good so I'm pretty hyped. It's a damn shame that this match ended the way it did and didn't get about three to five more minutes, as it could have ended up being damn good in its own right.
Rating: **3/4

MNM vs. Batista and Rey Mysterio (Steel Cage) - January 6th, 2006
This match looks like it would be decent on paper, but the end result is pretty disappointing. We have some decent spots with MNM killing Mysterio by catapulting him into the steel cage and Mysterio earlier being back-dropped into the steel as well. Mysterio also leaped off the top of the cage and landed on Nitro (I think) for a near fall. Outside of those spots, this match was, in the words of the great VINNY, "a match." The match took a turn from being average to below average when Mark Henry came down to the ring and it seemed to take him forever to enter the cage. There was nothing really AWFUL about this match, but nothing GOOD either. I haven't seen the other matches that these two teams had back in 2005 since they fired aired on UPN so I don't remember if they were any good or not. If they're as good as this match though, I don't think it would be worth it to dig them up.
Rating: *1/2
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Did you watch Kid Kash v THE JUICE? It rules.

The Benoit/Orton the next week is fantastic. Probably a top five Orton singles.

That cage match was dogshit and the worst thing I can remember Rey Mysterio doing in WWE.

A "best of 2006 SmackDown" comp would honestly be pretty huge. I think I'm somewhere near SummerSlam so far, and I could seriously say there's at LEAST two matches every week that are worth adding to a comp like that. I guess if you set the bar higher it'd mean fewer matches, but there is just SOOO much shit that's really worth checking out. Honestly though it could easily amount to 100+ matches.

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Benoit/Orton have their best non-PPV match on the January 27th SD episode. 13/1 is pretty good too, though. And on 20/1, Orton manages to get a decent match out of Orlando Jordan.

Unfortunately for me, 06 is about to go down in quality from SD since the draft is coming up soon which means no more Orton or Angle and Benoit is out for five months. Plus Great Khali debuting is nothing good.

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Nah, I didn't watch the Kash/JUICE match, but it was only because I just assumed it was going to be just a run of the mill Cruserweight match where nothing really happens. Since you recommend it though, I'll give it a watch after I finish match seven of Orton/Benoit and the Battle Royal for the World Heavyweight Championship. I don't have much interest in people like Kid Kash and Juvi and I'm going to skip around and only watch the stuff involving the people I know either A) Deliver in the ring and/or B) I care about. I'm doing this so I don't lose interest in the project. If I miss anything be sure to let me know and I'll go back and watch it.

I haven't watched 2006 Smackdown since it first aired and seeing as I was about 12 at the time it first aired, I didn't get the full effect of it obviously. I'm showing my age when I say that these 2006 Smackdown's are going to be a huge nostalgia trip for me lol.

In regards to this project, I'm only going to watch the TV shows and not the Pay Per Views, even though it would make sense to include them. The reason I'm doing this is only to save hard drive room and nothing else. I have a p. small hard drive on my computer so I don't have a lot of room to store a bunch of pro graps on it. I'll probably just go into Movie Maker and make separate clips for the matches I enjoy and then delete the rest of the episode.

Having only 2GB of memory on your computer is terrible, by the way. Not only does it take Movie Maker forever to create the "movie", but it's hard to do anything else while it's making it. I tried Sony Vegas and it's even slower than Movie Maker, if that is believable. I highly regret not paying the extra $100 or so to get a computer with 4GB of memory but hey, I'm a poor college student so w/e.
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Mysterio-Orton is SO good but I might actually prefer their NWO match believe it or not. Their Smackdown match seems to have the MOVEZ and the excitement but I'll be damned if Orton's character work in the NWO match is some of the best he ever did for sure.

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No Way Out : ****

If I were comparing I'd probably go with Smackdown 2003 > Smackdown 2006 just because 2003 had BROCK and since BROCK is my guy I'm obviously gonna pimp that shit out. 2006 had the likes of Finlay, Regal, Benoit, etc though so I can see a case being made either way for sure.
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****1/2 Rey/Orton NWO
***3/4 Rey/Orton SD

I love me some SD 06. Was a few years ago now when I did my SD 06 project but I still remember soooo much about it. FINLAY is the god of 2006 in WWE. GOD.
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Just watched TAKER-SID to finish off Mania XIII, and I'm not going to say anything besides this ; WHO HAD THE BRILLIANT FUCKING IDEA FOR THESE TWO TO HAVE A MATCH THIS LONG ? It had some pretty good spots and decent psychology at times but DAMN this should have been like 11-13 minutes and much faster. FUCK.

I'll be damned if I don't enjoy a Wrestlemania ending with Taker holding the belt though, that shit just feels right for sure. ON TO A PERSONAL FAVORITE MANIA (XIV) HERE WE GO!


EDIT : YEAH SO IT SEEMS AS IF MY FUCKING ANTHOLOGY SET DOESN'T HAVE WRESTLEMANIA 14 INCLUDED. WHAT. THE. ACTUAL. FUCK..... Sooo........ Anybody have a cheap bootleg copy (region 1 or region free) that I can get my hands on ?

Looks like I'm gonna have to move on to XV ..... My night has officially been ruined.
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Unfortunately for me, 06 is about to go down in quality from SD since the draft is coming up soon which means no more Orton or Angle and Benoit is out for five months. Plus Great Khali debuting is nothing good.
Yeah, when watching it looked bleak. Benoit, Henry and Orton were taking time off, MNM broke up, Angle was having what I seriously think is close to his peak run and moved to ECW, JBL retires....you lose a lot of things and gain a lot of *other* things (Khali, Batista returns, Paul Burchill making William Regal dress in drag, the Miz) but honestly it's surprising how well it all stays together. I gained a new appreciation for London and Kendrick during that time.

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Nah, I didn't watch the Kash/JUICE match, but it was only because I just assumed it was going to be just a run of the mill Cruserweight match where nothing really happens. Since you recommend it though, I'll give it a watch after I finish match seven of Orton/Benoit and the Battle Royal for the World Heavyweight Championship.

In regards to this project, I'm only going to watch the TV shows and not the Pay Per Views, even though it would make sense to include them. The reason I'm doing this is only to save hard drive room and nothing else. I have a p. small hard drive on my computer so I don't have a lot of room to store a bunch of pro graps on it. I'll probably just go into Movie Maker and make separate clips for the matches I enjoy and then delete the rest of the episode.
JUVI is fucking great. That match is actually a pretty unique cruiser match where Kash works the leg and Juvi has to build his way upwards. Definitely match of the night for that show.

I burnt every episode onto disc, even before I watched them. Probably not the BEST idea, but I have them all and can watch them whenever I want to. Plus if I didn't want to watch a divas/Miz thing or the Boogeyman I could just lean on fast-forward. I fit two episodes onto a disc (so I needed around 25 discs) and a 25 pack of discs costs around $12. Not a bad price for all that FINLAY ('n' those other guys I guess). I essentially paid $12 for the best season of SmackDown.
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