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Old 02-07-2013, 04:30 PM   #16861 (permalink)
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Casas/Santo is all that springs to mind in terms of Lucha from '87 tbh. I'd put Flair/Windham Worldwide, Murdoch/Windham, Fujiwara/Choshu and Lawler/Idol matches ahead of Steamboat/Savage. Could see the argument against Lawler/Idol but I just love the angle, the payoff, the insane atmosphere and ingraned visual of Rich coming up from under the ring and the whole thing as a spectacle. Fujiwara/Choshu is arguably the best sub 15 minute match ever.

Can't remember much of Santo/Casas tbh outside of the actual match. Remember it being very good but would have to rewatch before judging it against Savage/Steamboat. I remember a Lawler/Dundee vs Midnight Express tag from 87 being excellent as well, but top 5 of '87 is probably just too far.
Aw fuck, forgot about Santo/Casas. Legit haven't seen that in about 8 years, but I don't doubt it would hold up (I'll probs hold off until the lucha 80s set drops).

I'd probably say Fujiwara/Choshu is the best sub-15 minute match ever. Savage/Steamboat was sub-15 minutes, right? So yeah, Fujiwara/Choshu >>>>

Rest of them...honestly, if pressed, I'd probably take Savage/Steamboat. Watching the whole feud and seeing it in proper context a few years ago (man, it's crazy that we started that WWF/E poll almost 4 years ago) really brought me around to it. I don't know if I'd go quite as far as saying it's the best WWF match of the 80s, but I'd certainly have it top 5. I wouldn't have had it top 20 before.
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Old 02-07-2013, 04:30 PM   #16862 (permalink)
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It was more me marking out for the sake of being a mark that I said that than anything else. I actually do believe that if full-time Lesnar would be the absolute best though, seeing as how I've seen maybe one actual BAD Lesnar match that had no entertainment value for me, and it looks like he's much of the same presence he was in those days. Like CAL said, he style is just awesome and it would also be my favorite style currently.

@ RAWK , I understand where you're coming from, but I'm a guy who would put Triple H/Lesnar as perhaps the greatest MAIN EVENT (or top 3) in Summerslam history so obviously I'm gonna say Brock was just fucking AWESOME in that just like he had the greatest heel control segment ever @ Extreme Rules. That match was just GODLY.

Just watched Austin-Bret from Mania XIII, then I watched the Chicago Street Fight... What a fucking fun match that was for sure. Again, not giving anything away but......... SID-TAKER IS NEXT, I always thought this match was pretty DECE.
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Rawk's post is pretty spot on.

BROCK is definitely my favorite at the moment, just as he was after the dismantling of Cena almost a year ago. There's just something entirely different about him that puts him in a class all his own. Even his interaction with Miz this past Monday night. Tossing furniture at Miz's face? Who else does that? The guy is a legit freak. It's awesome TV whenever he's involved. I'd watch a Lesnar match over that of anyone on the current roster. Uniqueness + entertainment = BROCK.

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Aw fuck, forgot about Santo/Casas. Legit haven't seen that in about 8 years, but I don't doubt it would hold up (I'll probs hold off until the lucha 80s set drops).

I'd probably say Fujiwara/Choshu is the best sub-15 minute match ever. Savage/Steamboat was sub-15 minutes, right? So yeah, Fujiwara/Choshu >>>>

Rest of them...honestly, if pressed, I'd probably take Savage/Steamboat. Watching the whole feud and seeing it in proper context a few years ago (man, it's crazy that we started that WWF/E poll almost 4 years ago) really brought me around to it. I don't know if I'd go quite as far as saying it's the best WWF match of the 80s, but I'd certainly have it top 5. I wouldn't have had it top 20 before.
14.35 according to wiki, but yeah its hard to think of a sub 15 minute match that's better. Volk Han/Tamura is extradordinary, but that's comparing apples and oranges. Both very different yet brilliant matches. Funaki/Nakano is a personal favourite, but I'd put it below both of those in terms of bell to bell work.

I'll have to try and watch the entire feud then in order to get a better perspective. I'd have Slaughter/Sheik Boot Camp as the best WWF match of the 80s, just everything I want in pro wrestling encapsulated in a great angle, nuclear heat and brilliant work from both men. I adore Backlund/Slaughter in the cage from '81, but unsure if I'd have it ahead of Savage/Steamboat. There's a Backlund/Adonis match from '82 I believe which gets strong praise, but drawing a blank on any other match bar Slaughter/Patterson Alley Fight that sticks out.

Windham/Flair or Windham/Murdoch would be the top two of those matches for me. Will never tire of Windham/Flair as a pairing with the rookie phenom vs resilient champion dynamic always producing a gripping story with great pacing, transitions and crowd heat. Murdoch/Windham was the first Dick match I ever saw and got me immediately hooked on him from there on. Love how they progressively tire and sell the exhaustion and physical endurance as well as all the little touches Murdoch brings to the match via the theatrical selling or doing things no-one else would think to do. Can definitely see the argument in favour of Savage/Steamboat though.
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If I was saying who the best workers are in the company right now I'd probably put Punk and Bryan in a class of their own, with the likes of Sheamus, Jericho, Show, Henry, and Cena below that level.

WHAT THE HELL IS UP WITH CENA LATELY THOUGH ? Ever since Night of Champions with Punk he's been ridiculously inconsistent in the ring.. AS A MATTER OF FACT he's been like that since the Extreme Rules match with Brock, what the hell is up with that ?
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Cena has been like Orton last year. Just didn't have much reason to care for the most part since he was stuck with shit ever since Extreme Rules. Really hope both pick things up where they left off in 2011 this year.

I wish Big Show would win the title at EC (as much as I'm liking Del Rio right now) and then have Orton win the EC itself. Then they go for the first time one-on-one at PPV. Has potential to be great. And Rock/Cena II, I'm not nearly as dismissive of it as others are.
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14.35 according to wiki, but yeah its hard to think of a sub 15 minute match that's better. Volk Han/Tamura is extradordinary, but that's comparing apples and oranges. Both very different yet brilliant matches. Funaki/Nakano is a personal favourite, but I'd put it below both of those in terms of bell to bell work.

I'll have to try and watch the entire feud then in order to get a better perspective. I'd have Slaughter/Sheik Boot Camp as the best WWF match of the 80s, just everything I want in pro wrestling encapsulated in a great angle, nuclear heat and brilliant work from both men. I adore Backlund/Slaughter in the cage from '81, but unsure if I'd have it ahead of Savage/Steamboat. There's a Backlund/Adonis match from '82 I believe which gets strong praise, but drawing a blank on any other match bar Slaughter/Patterson Alley Fight that sticks out.

Windham/Flair or Windham/Murdoch would be the top two of those matches for me. Will never tire of Windham/Flair as a pairing with the rookie phenom vs resilient champion dynamic always producing a gripping story with great pacing, transitions and crowd heat. Murdoch/Windham was the first Dick match I ever saw and got me immediately hooked on him from there on. Love how they progressively tire and sell the exhaustion and physical endurance as well as all the little touches Murdoch brings to the match via the theatrical selling or doing things no-one else would think to do. Can definitely see the argument in favour of Savage/Steamboat though.
The second Han/Tamura is probably an all-time top 30 match to me. Fujiwara/Choshu is top 20.

Watching Flair/Taylor today was the first time I've watched a single Ric Flair match in a year, and I had no idea how I'd feel about it after being so burned out on him after the WCW poll. I loved it, but I'm really not sure how much I'll dig the Flair matches I've seen a bunch of times whenever I next re-watch them. Still have no interest in watching a Flair/Steamboat match in the near future. I haven't seen Flair/Windham as many times as Flair/Steamboat (not a specific match between Flair and Steamboat or Flair and Windham; just generally speaking), but I've seen those matches more than a few times...I'm not sure I want to watch THEM again any time soon, either.

I need to watch Murdoch/Windham again.
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Yeah I think we've discussed in the past that as great as Flair's best matches are, you can only watch them so many times and appreciate their lasting effect before you want to go searching for that Flair match you've not seen and which turns out to be maybe a top 15 of his career. I'm far more interested watching the Jake Roberts, Wahoo McDaniel, Koko Ware, Ricky Morton, Brian Pillman and Luger matches and trying to assess how good they are then watching the Flair/Steamboat quintet from '89 in order to rank them. You know barring a real alteration in tastes that Flair's peak will do well to ever drastically fall off, so trying to find obscure matches and performances that add to his already impressive dossier becomes a far more inviting prospect than simply rewatching the classics.

Not sure what stuck out to me as the best thing Murdoch did in the '87 match. Either the floppy leg selling off of a Windham punch combo or trying to climb the turnbuckle and nearly collapsing because he's spent after wrestling nearly 40 minutes.
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Yeah, I've said a thing or six million about that in the past (re: Flair).
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I hadn't seen fujiwara/choshu in a long time so I just watched it again and it blew my mind. That is the perfect sub 15 minute match, emotional, violent as can be, and a brilliant story.

On Lesnar talk, Lesnar's such a freak and uniquely gifted athlete with a great wrestling mind to go with it that if he had stayed in the WWE for all these years he could have be in the conversation of one of the top 10-15 american workers of all time. I love lesnar's style of wrestling right now, he just has a special aura about him that not many wrestlers have ever had. Brock's UFC days just adds to that aura.

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