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Old 02-06-2013, 07:55 PM   #16781 (permalink)
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Batista/HHH WM21 gets **, BL match gets **3/4. Nothing that good from Batista/HHH until the Cell match, which ended up being spectacular. But to the observer giving it **3/4, they were being too generous.
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Old 02-06-2013, 07:55 PM   #16782 (permalink)
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Batista/HHH WM - **3/4. Its ok and nothing more.
Batista/HHH BL - ***1/4. This was going awesome... until Batista completely ignored the fact his back was worked over the entire match and no sold the shit out of it in favour of hitting big power moves and his finisher at the end.
Batista/HHH VG - ****1/2. Awesomesauce.

Did they ever have a TV match or anything after this?
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If Koslov was stuck doing that, he might have faired better during his tenure. Festus/Gallows/D.O.C. speaks for himself. Always liked the guy. More walloping in matches please.

If I were to go into the realm of Japanese stars to go toe to toe with Necro then wow. I did get a dream match for me in Necro vs Morishima back in 2008. Think it was good, but can't remember how much I loved it tbhayley. I think I was one of the few who marked for it. Necro vs Big Tak. Jesus christ the thought of it. Beauty is, that one could still happen. Hashimoto would have been bliss too. Always makes me laugh how Hashimoto and Ogawa had their bouts, then when HUSTLE came around their alliance was well in tact. Speaking of HUSTLE - Necro vs KAWADA. It's a drop in the bucket here. Kawada can make anything great.

I can help but stem back to the Necro in territory days mentality. I see him teaming (or even feuding) vs Terry Funk at the time. Those two wild men as a team. Sounds brilliant to me. What if Funk had Necro as his running buddy during the '89 program vs Flair? When Flair got the upper hand at GAB, Necro could have debuted and DESTROYED Flair. I know the way things ended with Muta and subsequently leading in with Sting joining the Horsemen was good. I can't help but get the juices flowing in knowing Flair's uphill struggle against Gary Hart's wicked alliance would have been very stellar if Necro was in the mix.
Yeah sad to see he had the potential for those sorts of violent spurts and was instead saddled with padding out his offence for longer matches. An example that sometime straying from the cliche formula can be to the benefit of a worker. Gallows is tremendous, people who watch his work should notice that by know. Overlooked brawler and big man.

Yeah Necro is a guy who realistically could work with anyone. Lunatic bumper, no regard for his well being and has that Foley desire to eat as many stiff strikes as the body can withstand. Hashimoto and Takayama have the height and weight advantage to make for a great underdog dynamic with Necro being a smaller than his adversaries. Sort of like a Dustin Rhodes setting where he's big enough to cause some damage but still has the size difference to look overmatched and helpless. Don't even want to consider the beating Necro would take in the ring against either of them. Both look horrificly violent even when they're likely lessening the actual damage, put that against someone like Necro who does not give a fuck and I imagine the lawyers and doctors would be taking substantial overtime.

Necro in the territory days would have been something. Could have worked as the hired mercenery in a long running angle, such as being payed by a Jimmy Hart to take out Lawler. Could have been almost Abdullah like in roaming from territory to territory, staying long enough to create a buzz and lasting impression whilst his stay was short enough to feel fresh and with room to return. Imagine him working Lawler, Dundee, Duggan, Murdoch, Dibiase, Reed, Sawyer, Morton, Valentine, Arn, Magnum etc. Just can't even comprehend what we could have gotten with his style in those grungy and autentic settings.
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Batista/HHH WM - **3/4. Its ok and nothing more.
Batista/HHH BL - ***1/4. This was going awesome... until Batista completely ignored the fact his back was worked over the entire match and no sold the shit out of it in favour of hitting big power moves and his finisher at the end.
Batista/HHH VG - ****1/2. Awesomesauce.

Did they ever have a TV match or anything after this?
I remember one Raw they were going to have a match, but it ended up getting switched for a tag match or something. They had an in-ring interaction at some point after Batista turned heel with HHH getting the upperhand on him, but besides that, nothing else happened after their feud ended with them.
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Yeah sad to see he had the potential for those sorts of violent spurts and was instead saddled with padding out his offence for longer matches. An example that sometime straying from the cliche formula can be to the benefit of a worker. Gallows is tremendous, people who watch his work should notice that by know. Overlooked brawler and big man.

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Case and point vs Triple H at Survivor Series 2008. It killed his career b/c of hos abysmal it was. WWE seems to have Ryback down well. Don't let him work too many lengthy bouts and he'll be ok. I think that's why I have no disdain for the guy. Plus, he's a Tough Enough kid. So, it's pretty cool to see his successes, imo.

I can literally picture those matches playing out. Speaks volumes to how natural of a fit it is to have Necro against those guys. I'll start a petition to have Takayama back in NJPW and for them to sign Necro to a one or two night contract and work a show at the end of this year to set up a match vs Tak come Wrestle Kingdom VIII. It could happen.

See, this is both a wonderful bit of fantasy booking and also a bit of a tug on my heartstrings b/c I'll know these matches and moments will forever be a fragment of my dreams. It's almost making me want to start up a Be The Booker just to make the most fantasy driven bouts actually occur. I have enough on my plate as it is! I'm a guy with a wild imagination. All I need is something to spark my favorite hobby and I'm off to the races. Necro vs Valentine in a bloody war. My stars - the genius of it. I can see Valentine wearing the crimson mask yelling out obscenities at Necro in the mist of the war. Gives me chills.
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I really wanna check out Kozlov/HHH from SVS 08 just to see it for myself. But I'm running the risk of enduring another JBL/Batista GAB 05 where the match is not laughably bad (like Taker/HHH KOTR), but BORING.

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Batista/HHH VG - ****1/2. Awesomesauce.

Did they ever have a TV match or anything after this?
Bump the first and last by a quarter and I'm fully with you on all of them.

I really wonder how their cell match ended up being so much better than the first two. The cell is not always a solution to a feud that's boring (see HHH/HBK) but in this case, HIAC has made it easier to look back fondly at the feud and overlook the two first matches which were average.
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Old 02-06-2013, 08:20 PM   #16787 (permalink)
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Yep, it's on the levels of Batista vs JBL bad. If not worse tbhayley.

Survivor Series has a much more exciting finish though. So it's ironic in what payoff you want.
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Old 02-06-2013, 08:24 PM   #16788 (permalink)
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I really wanna check out Kozlov/HHH from SVS 08 just to see it for myself. But I'm running the risk of enduring another JBL/Batista GAB 05 where the match is not laughably bad (like Taker/HHH KOTR), but BORING.
Oh, it is incredibly boring, and one of the worst matches of all time imo, maybe even the worst for me. I couldn't sit through more than a minute of that shit again. At least Taker/Bossman had Bearer on the outside, Koslov/HHH does nothing interesting or good, and the worst part is, you could see both men trying.

The only saving grace is the fact Edge came in and took the title, which isn't much of anything if you aren't a fan of Edge... and if you're someone who hates Edge... well... things just go from abysmal to pleasekillmenowthisistooawful.
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I liked JEFF HARDY showing up with the bandage behind his head b/c someone attacked him in the stairwell of his hotel.

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I remember people thinking he had legit collapsed in the stairwell due to possible DRUG related shit.
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