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Throw in Tenryu Vs Mysterio too. Tenryu Vs Regal/Benoit/Finlay for viciousness. Fuck, Tenryu Vs like, 99% of US wrestlers would be amazing. TENRYU

I wanna go back and watch some Lesnar TV matches from 02/03. *grabs 02/03 SD discs*
Yoshiaki Fujiwara vs Tajiri
Yoshiaki Fujiwara vs Finlay
Yoshiaki Fujiwara vs Rey Mysterio

Shinya Hashimoto vs Jerry Lawler
Shinya Hashimoto vs Eddie Guerrero
Shinya Hashimoto vs Bryan Danielson
Shinya Hashimoto vs Brian Pillman
Shinya Hashimoto vs Dustin Rhodes

Genichiro Tenryu vs Terry Funk
Genichiro Tenryu vs Jerry Lawler
Genichiro Tenryu vs Barry Windham

Stan Hansen vs John Cena
Stan Hansen vs Rey Mysterio
Stan Hansen vs Dick Murdoch
Stan Hansen vs Dustin Rhodes

Jushin Liger vs Ric Flair
Jushin Liger vs William Regal
Jushin Liger vs Jerry Lawler

Dick Murdoch vs Eddie Guerrero
Bob Backlund vs Toshiaki Kawada
Volk Han vs Steve Grey
Marty Jones vs William Regal
El Hijo Del Santo vs Jushin Liger

Last 5 are just random match ups. Liger vs Santo in a bloody brawl =

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Watching Rey/Brock and the cat and mouse game at the beginning is fucking amazing BROCK
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Mark Henry Vs Brock Lesnar - SD 01/08/2002

The Next Big Thing, BROOOOOOCCCKKKK LESSSSSSSNAAAR Vs The World's Strongest Man Mark Henry. EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

Henry is fresh off his win at the first Arnold Strongman contest (which btw, I'm 99% positive was a fix so Henry could win and WWE would promote the shit out of it to help it get off the ground), and Lesnar is still the young, impressively powerful rookie looking to dominate anyone.

I'd LOVE to see this happen today. Hall of Pain Henry Vs MMA Lesnar. Fuck.

But 2002 version was still a ton of fucking fun. Henry is the only guy up to this point that can stand toe to toe with Lesnar and even be the STRONGER of the two, but Lesnar has the amateur wrestling background and is super fast, so he can use his power in a different way to take down Henry.

Holy shit, delayed vertical suplex on Lesnar! Awesome to see someone be able to manhandle Lesnar, and it makes it all the more special when Lesnar hits an overhead belly to belly, and F5, and gets the win. Short but oh so sweet.

**

And on a related note, I NEED to do a SD 02 project at some point. This show not only had that match, but Angle/Hogan (their KOTR match was good), Rey/Tajiri, and Edge & Rock/Eddie & Benoit (new SD acquisitions). And the shows are stacked like this on a weekly fucking basis. But for now, LESNAR. *next episode time*
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So I finally watched a match that I always stayed away from because apparently it was so horribly bad. The Almighty One himself, Dave Meltzer gave it **3/4. And if Dave Meltzer says it's bad, then you know it's bad.

The match I'm talking about is Triple H vs Batista at Wrestlemania 21. What are some of you guys opinions on it? Me personally, it doesn;t get the praise it deserve. How the hell could the Observer give this **3/4? And well, if the Observer says it's **3/4 then obviously its subscribers says it as well. I've always seen a lot of shit for this match but after watching it, I can't see how this match could possibly be considered bad.

This match is freaking good if you ask me. Some good control segments by the game, Batista makes a nice comeback. A brilliantly done false finish as well if you ask me. The part where HHH hits Batista with the title, if you didn't known the results before hand, it's very possible to believe that would have been the finish. The fans booing definitely signifies that they all thought HHH was gonna win by using dirty tactics.

Man, screw the haters. I freaking liked this match. It gets ***3/4 from me.
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Poor Yeah1993, I know you're trying to summon vivalabrave back to this place. But there are far better ways .

On topic, isn't there a Kane vs Chavo match that usually gets brought up as quite good? Backlash maybe?

On topic 2: was that Koslov/Festus sub 5 minute Smackdown encounter from 2008? If so i'mma go ahead and give that my TV MOTY for 08. Wrestling needs more big guys beating the everloving dogpiss out of each other.
God damn I love you. Here I thought I was the only guy (and my buddy who watched that Smackdown with me) who thought that match was too damn awesome on account of it being a complete slugfest.

Triple H vs Batista from WrestleMania 21 - **. Blah.

Dream matches? Fuck I got giddy just thinking about some and reading some of the selections. I'll go to a prior conversation I had with WOOLCOCK and have to say I want this gem to happen: Necro Butcher vs Jerry Lawler - circa MEMPHIS days. Or any territory really. It would have to involve a time machine, but of course this is all hypothetical so screw it. If I got this program, I think the level of marking would reach a whole new high. Necro could have been the best beast up and down the territories.
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Batista/HHH from Mania was not bad, just kind of dull. ★★★.
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Brock Lesnar Vs Mark Henry - SD 01/08/2002

The Next Big Thing, BROOOOOOCCCKKKK LESSSSSSSNAAAR Vs The World's Strongest Man Mark Henry. EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

Henry is fresh off his win at the first Arnold Strongman contest (which btw, I'm 99% positive was a fix so Henry could win and WWE would promote the shit out of it to help it get off the ground), and Lesnar is still the young, impressively powerful rookie looking to dominate anyone.

I'd LOVE to see this happen today. Hall of Pain Henry Vs MMA Lesnar. Fuck.

But 2002 version was still a ton of fucking fun. Henry is the only guy up to this point that can stand toe to toe with Lesnar and even be the STRONGER of the two, but Lesnar has the amateur wrestling background and is super fast, so he can use his power in a different way to take down Henry.

Holy shit, delayed vertical suplex on Lesnar! Awesome to see someone be able to manhandle Lesnar, and it makes it all the more special when Lesnar hits an overhead belly to belly, and F5, and gets the win. Short but oh so sweet.

**

Brock Lesnar Vs Hulk Hogan - SD 08/08/2002

Not the greatest match, but a ton of fun for sure. Crowd are insane for Hogan. Love how they built up Hogan as being almost the ultimate challenge for Lesnar at this point in his career. Heyman on the outside yelling to Brock "He's different! He's Hulk Hogan, he's DIFFERENT!" while Lesnar is playing with Hulk like he did with everyone else at the time, being too inexperienced to truly understand who he's in the ring with. Hogan did his usual schtick; no selling stuff but not anything major that pissed you off, just in the way that is part of his gimmick. He even has Brock reeling and even begging him off, the first time we'd seen this kind of thing from Lesnar. And then Bock got it. He understood who he was in the ring with. It started with the ledgrop, and once Brock kicked out, he evolved. He went after Hulk like a man possessed. No more messing about. F-5. Busted Hogan wide open. And then locked in the bear hug and beat Hogan in perhaps THE most decisive way that Hogan has ever been beaten in. Perfect build up match to SS imo. Heyman was proclaiming Lesnar to be the next big thing. He was young, athletic, powerful. He had EVERYTHING but experience, but week after week we'd see him get better and better, and in this match its like he went from a rookie to a veteran; that's how much he learnt. He wasn't in the ring with your average guy. No more Hardy Boys (just popular team at the time). No Rikishi. No Booker T. No RVD. He was in the ring with one of THE stars. One of THE legends. He went into the match inexperienced. He made mistakes. Then he LEARNT. He adapted. He evolved. He grew. And he took OUT Hulk Hogan, and was finally ready for The Rock and the WWE Title at SummerSlam. Great stuff here, telling a pretty magnificent story imo. And Hogan taking a fucking POWERBOMB (albeit out of the corner, but all that did was allow Hogan to not have to try and flip himself up onto Brock's shoulders lol)? Awesome lol.

***3/4

Brock Lesnar Vs Rikishi - SD 15/08/2002

Rikishi might not be as strong as Henry, but he's a big bastard so seeing Lesnar dominate him couldn't be anything less than fun!

Nice callback spot to the Henry match though (doubt it was intentional, but I like to think so ). Lesnar charges into Rikishi, and like Henry, he doesn't move. Do Rikishi eggs on Lesnar to try again, only Lesnar goes for a clothesline instead, which levelled Henry. Rikishi though sees it coming and ducks, taking down Lesnar with a clothesline of his own .

Some nice arm work for the 30 seconds it takes place, and nice selling from Rikishi too. BELLY TO BELLY OVERHEAD. I mark for that move every time. BEARHUG. Watching Bossman matches at the RR killed the Bearhug for me, but LESNAR using it is still great. He BEAT HOGAN with it the week before, so its credible as fuck.

Great little comeback from Rikishi, including a stinkface to Heyman who sells it amazingly, before Lesnar breaks him in half with an F5 for the win. Super fun.

**1/2

Brock Lesnar Vs Matt Hardy - SD 29/08/2002

Lesnar won the Undisputed title at SummerSlam days earlier, and now he's exclusive to SD. Hardy went to Stephanie and asked for a match with Lesnar. Guess he was out of his mind back in 02 as well?

Lol, Lesnar just dumps Hardy over the ropes when he's posing during his entrance. Hardy tries, but Lesnar is on a whole other level and just mauls him. MAULS HIM. And I love every second of it. Does that make me a bad person?

Lesnar catching Hardy from a crossbody from the top rope to the OUTSIDE was amazing. They make it seem like someone is the strongest person everaz when they do the same thing, but in the ring rather than outside. Lesnar had to catch Matt falling from like an extra 3 feet. Awesome. Another fun match from Lesnar. I think the "Lesnar doesn't have a bad match" saying might be right. Except for RR Vs Holly and WM Vs Goldberg .

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I'm a fan of the match personally. Don't think it's nearly as bad as people make it out to be. Was actually watching the finish of the match earlier as it happens since the whole match is on YouTube.

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Dream matches? Fuck I got giddy just thinking about some and reading some of the selections. I'll go to a prior conversation I had with WOOLCOCK and have to say I want this gem to happen: Necro Butcher vs Jerry Lawler - circa MEMPHIS days. Or any territory really. It would have to involve a time machine, but of course this is all hypothetical so screw it. If I got this program, I think the level of marking would reach a whole new high. Necro could have been the best beast up and down the territories.
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Yup, adored it. Nothing too serious, short and sweet. Two big lumps potatoing each other for our pleasure.

Oh man, overlooked Necro vs Lawler. Necro vs Takayama also strikes me as a potential blossom pairing. Basically anyone who's a big lump like Joe who can kick ten bells out of nutty Necro should be a recipe for greatness. Oh man, Hashimoto vs Necro is screaming out right about now. Hashimoto kicking the crap out of Necro in ways even Naoya Ogawa wasn't subjected to and Necro throwing hobo esque punches square in the snout of Hashimoto, oh the thoughts.
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Only part of the match I really find appealing was how the fans responded to Batista's thumbs down. Great camera shot capturing what appeared to be every fan doing it with him.

It's not much of anything though. Nor is the Backlash match. That's what blows me away so much about their Hell in a Cell at Vengeance. Two incredibly average matches followed by one of my personal favorite blow offs in the whole of wrestling. There was something in the air that night.

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Yup, adored it. Nothing too serious, short and sweet. Two big lumps potatoing each other for our pleasure.

Oh man, overlooked Necro vs Lawler. Necro vs Takayama also strikes me as a potential blossom pairing. Basically anyone who's a big lump like Joe who can kick ten bells out of nutty Necro should be a recipe for greatness. Oh man, Hashimoto vs Necro is screaming out right about now. Hashimoto kicking the crap out of Necro in ways even Naoya Ogawa wasn't subjected to and Necro throwing hobo esque punches square in the snout of Hashimoto, oh the thoughts.
If Koslov was stuck doing that, he might have faired better during his tenure. Festus/Gallows/D.O.C. speaks for himself. Always liked the guy. More walloping in matches please.

If I were to go into the realm of Japanese stars to go toe to toe with Necro then wow. I did get a dream match for me in Necro vs Morishima back in 2008. Think it was good, but can't remember how much I loved it tbhayley. I think I was one of the few who marked for it. Necro vs Big Tak. Jesus christ the thought of it. Beauty is, that one could still happen. Hashimoto would have been bliss too. Always makes me laugh how Hashimoto and Ogawa had their bouts, then when HUSTLE came around their alliance was well in tact. Speaking of HUSTLE - Necro vs KAWADA. It's a drop in the bucket here. Kawada can make anything great.

I can help but stem back to the Necro in territory days mentality. I see him teaming (or even feuding) vs Terry Funk at the time. Those two wild men as a team. Sounds brilliant to me. What if Funk had Necro as his running buddy during the '89 program vs Flair? When Flair got the upper hand at GAB, Necro could have debuted and DESTROYED Flair. I know the way things ended with Muta and subsequently leading in with Sting joining the Horsemen was good. I can't help but get the juices flowing in knowing Flair's uphill struggle against Gary Hart's wicked alliance would have been very stellar if Necro was in the mix.
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