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Old 02-06-2013, 01:32 PM   #16721 (permalink)
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Orton V Christian OTL ****1/4

Orton's and Christians best non gimmick match ever.
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Old 02-06-2013, 01:33 PM   #16722 (permalink)
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Damn, I really want to watch those Christian/Orton matches now. I think the only one I've seen is the No DQ match from Summerslam (??).
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Old 02-06-2013, 01:33 PM   #16723 (permalink)
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****1/4 for Eddie/Rey. Not your traditional great wrestling match between them, but some EPIC storytelling and character work from Eddie. My personal favourite from their series.
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Old 02-06-2013, 01:33 PM   #16724 (permalink)
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Batista vs Eddie Guerrero No Mercy 2005
First time seeing this match and I must say it was a lot of fun to watch. Match starts of with some basic chain grappling. Eddie gets frustrated as several attempts to escape a headlock by Batista proves null and after receiving a scoop slam off the rebound he quickly rolls to the outside. A frustrated Guerrero looks for help in the form of a steel chair but sets it back down after looking at it for some time. I don't know the storyline going into this match but the story of this match was basically Guerrero trying his best not to resort to underhanded tactics. After dropping the chair, Guerrero turns around to find Batista with his head sticking through the second rope. Batsita grabs Guerrero by the throat, raising him up on the apron but Guerrero is a desperate attempt to survive hot shots Batista.

From here Guerrero begins to wear down the big man constantly going after the back using a various amount of submission holds including body scissors, a half boston crab and a camel clutch. Guerrero brings his special brand pf psychology to the match once again by removing the tag rope. Just like how he contemplated using the chair, Guerrero fixes his eyes on the rope for quite some time but eventually drops, resorting to a legal tactic- a basic drop kick to the head.

Eddie attempts to get Batista into a Texas Cloverleaf but the size difference just won't allow Guerrero to get the big man on his stomach. Batista (who rarely is put in such a position) rolls Guerrero up with a small package but he kicks out. After getting to their feet, Batista reverses an irish whip sending Guerrero to the corner. However, Guerrero does an up and over and upon landing falls backwards knocking down the referee. Whether or not it was on purpose, we don't know. I'd like to think the momentum caused Guerrero to lose his balance and that's how he fell onto the ref

Guerrero once again brings his deep level of psychology into the match. Having realized a downed official, Guerrero returns to his trusty sidekick- the steel chair. Just as he is about to his The Animal with it, for the second time, Eddie drops the chair. Whatever it is, Eddie just doesn't want to resort to illegal tactics.

Batista begins to mount a comeback and just as he is about to put Guerrero away with the Batista Bomb, the bad back catches up with him. Guerrero hits the three amigos, climbs the turnbuckle and sets himself up for the frog splash. Eddie, realizing Batista wasn't completely out, rolls through the frog splash and runs straight into a spinbuster. Batista pinning Guerrero to retain the title.

★★★3/4

I had this match at 4 stars up until the end. I don't know. It just seem to come out of nowhere and didn't feel like the big pay off such a match truly deserved. Still a great match though even with the out fo nowhere finish.
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Old 02-06-2013, 01:43 PM   #16725 (permalink)
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I didn't know they had a match at MITB as well. Whoops. Guess I'm going to have to go and find that now since I don't have it in hard copy. Although the fact that I completely forgot about it doesn't say much. I'll tell you though, that Randy Orton compared to the Randy Orton we have now are two different people. That Orton cared. This Orton clearly doesn't. As a mark for the guy, it's sad to see. I really hope something lights a fire under his ass this year and gets him back into form or at least trying again. I guess this is the result of having a career the likes of his before you hit 35. He has nothing left to achieve.
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Old 02-06-2013, 01:51 PM   #16726 (permalink)
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I didn't know they had a match at MITB as well. Whoops. Guess I'm going to have to go and find that now since I don't have it in hard copy. Although the fact that I completely forgot about it doesn't say much. I'll tell you though, that Randy Orton compared to the Randy Orton we have now are two different people. That Orton cared. This Orton clearly doesn't. As a mark for the guy, it's sad to see. I really hope something lights a fire under his ass this year and gets him back into form or at least trying again. I guess this is the result of having a career the likes of his before you hit 35. He has nothing left to achieve.
Its the least of their matches. Doesn't get an extended amount of time and is more of an angle advancer. Think Jericho/Punk WM 28 in the opening with Jericho goading Punk into a potential DQ and make it 15 minutes instead of 5 and you have a rough illustration.

Eh, as I said I found the only strong matches to be when Christian was the face. Minute he turned I just think the pairing lost a lot of strengths Christian brings as a babyface and the matches lacked that spark, build and compelling work that made the Smackdown and moreso OTL encounters so special and engrossing. Orton's Viper character in part is the problem. It forces him to be more languid and monotonous in terms of his ring approach and methodical work and it just sucks any bit of tension, passion or excitement out of a match. Admittedly he does look far more blatantly casual these days, probably in no small part because of the suspensions and position he finds himself in on the card.

Doesn't help the guy's body is brittle with all the nagging injuries so the chances of him breaking away from the methodical style which is likely done to preserve his body isn't happening anytime soon. I don't even think Orton going heel drastically fixes the problem. He's better by default as the heel since he isn't a good enough babyface worker to emote well enough to bring a crowd into a match and his comebacks lack the flair and fire that is needed in a babyface comeback. That being said, 2009 Orton outside of the odd match and performance was a far cry from 2004-06 heel Orton in terms of interesting and engaging control segments.
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Old 02-06-2013, 01:53 PM   #16727 (permalink)
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It's also sad for me to look at Orton. Heck it was just 2 years ago I was marking out for the guy. Now, I don't know. Like everyone, I loved his run as the legend killer but I'm probably in the minority here when i say that I also enjoyed his 2010 babyface run. The ovations Orton used to get back in 2010. And of course, like I mentioned, his 2011 run was also good with his series of matches with Christian.

But now, he just doesn't care. You can see it. The way he walks, talks, wrestles. Everything about orton just screams "I really don't wanna be here right now" It doesn't help that one week we get Orton/Barrett and the following Orton/Cesaro.

It goes like this:

RAW week 1: Orton vs Barrett
SD Week 1: Orton vs Barrett
RAW Week 2: Orton vs Cesaro
SD Week 2: Orton vs Cesaro
RAW Week 3: Orton vs Barrett
SD Week 3: Orton vs Barrett
RAW Week 4: Orton vs Cesaro
SD Week 4: Orton vs Cesaro

And there's one month of booking Orton right there. You can tell in his matches that he's just going through the motions and once you've seen one Orton match, you've seen them all at this point. But like I also mentioned, when you get Orton vs Barrett twice a week, every other week it can only be so interesting.
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I just realized that WWE uploaded the full match (not really full) of Jericho/Punk from Monday. That's awesome, I wish they'd upload full segments/promos/matches of RAW all the time but sadly I understand. It must be a bitch to upload short versions of it anyway, especially when you try to upload most of that during the ending of the show or during the show.
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Orton V Christian OTL ****1/4

Orton's and Christians best non gimmick match ever.
Can you keep posting over and over again, just so i can see Lesnar destroying Miz lol
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Old 02-06-2013, 02:04 PM   #16730 (permalink)
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Orton's Best Non Gimmick Match - Vs Benoit SD 13/01/06 - ****1/2
Christian's Best Non Gimmick Match - Vs Jack Swagger ECW 24/02/2009 - ****1/2
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