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I've likely seen worse, so you're safe all things considered . I'd probably just make you finally write up your theory on Trish being better than Aja Kong. I hope that was your New Years Resolution btw.

Ahh Finlay & Regal. Amazes me how they're so similar and yet Regal also manages to differentiate himself in terms of comedy and light hearted humour in his matches. Sad to see there are people who still render them boring when they're brought up as being two of the best workers WWE have ever had on their books.

Matt's mental breakdown and deterioration is a sad sight to see when you look at the immense potential and ability he had. Would have made a fine midcard stalwart with the odd uppercard push every once in a while. Was over, a great babyface worker and surrounded by good workers to put on interesting programs with. Sad to see what he became.
You'll never let that die. I know I can do it (with the right amount of booze) but I'm almost feeling like the anticipation will trump the payoff. I'll probably get hit with it one night in the most spontaneous drunken stupor ever and post it in rants to see what type of reaction I get.

Knuckleheads, quite frankly. It's like when a poster by the name of...ahh...DoubleDeckerBar. Yeah, that's it, tried to claim to me that Drew McIntyre was like a talentless jobber or something like that. I kind of lost it. In my head, of course. How appreciation for workers like these can be lost is truly a mind-numbing thought. They're the reason why I LOVE to watch this sport.

It is what it is. Funny how for all of Jeff's slip ups, he's managed to bounce back. Be a world champion in the second most popular promotion in the US and have good face performances. Meanwhile Matt had one error and it nearly ruined everything for him. Now he's in a fleeting Indie promotion trying to see if he can recapture any glory that he once at. It might sound like slander, and I'm not trying to bring Matt down now that he's seemingly in a better state of mind, but that's just the facts. TNA wasn't a good fit for Matt though. That drug haven ruined him so much. Prior to where he was out upon earning a release from WWE.
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Old 02-06-2013, 08:15 AM   #16672 (permalink)
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You'll never let that die. I know I can do it (with the right amount of booze) but I'm almost feeling like the anticipation will trump the payoff. I'll probably get hit with it one night in the most spontaneous drunken stupor ever and post it in rants to see what type of reaction I get.

Knuckleheads, quite frankly. It's like when a poster by the name of...ahh...DoubleDeckerBar. Yeah, that's it, tried to claim to me that Drew McIntyre was like a talentless jobber or something like that. I kind of lost it. In my head, of course. How appreciation for workers like these can be lost is truly a mind-numbing thought. They're the reason why I LOVE to watch this sport.

It is what it is. Funny how for all of Jeff's slip ups, he's managed to bounce back. Be a world champion in the second most popular promotion in the US and have good face performances. Meanwhile Matt had one error and it nearly ruined everything for him. Now he's in a fleeting Indie promotion trying to see if he can recapture any glory that he once at. It might sound like slander, and I'm not trying to bring Matt down now that he's seemingly in a better state of mind, but that's just the facts. TNA wasn't a good fit for Matt though. That drug haven ruined him so much. Prior to where he was out upon earning a release from WWE.
Lost? Prison Break? I have faith in you Cody.

Yeah Mcintyre used to be a hot topic back when I actually posted in the WWE section outside of this thread. Had many an argument with Pyro over Mcintyre being a very good worker and having to convince people not everyone had to have dynamite mic skills to get a consistent push on the card. Problem constantly remains the fact I'm too nice and towing the subjective line and being met with people trying to laugh off my reasoning without having the care or attention to properly respond.

Aye, who ever would have thought back in 2007 that Matt would be the brother who'd pissed away his chances in the big leagues and become an embarassment of himself. Just never had the innate charisma that Jeff has in spite of being infinitely more talented as a worker.
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Lost? Prison Break? I have faith in you Cody.

Yeah Mcintyre used to be a hot topic back when I actually posted in the WWE section outside of this thread. Had many an argument with Pyro over Mcintyre being a very good worker and having to convince people not everyone had to have dynamite mic skills to get a consistent push on the card. Problem constantly remains the fact I'm too nice and towing the subjective line and being met with people trying to laugh off my reasoning without having the care or attention to properly respond.

Aye, who ever would have thought back in 2007 that Matt would be the brother who'd pissed away his chances in the big leagues and become an embarassment of himself. Just never had the innate charisma that Jeff has in spite of being infinitely more talented as a worker.
Prison Break. Hilarious. I gave that show what-for last night in the TV thread. I'll make sure my comparative essay goes the right amount of distance with more than enough substance to leave you fulfilled.

Somehow I knew Pyro would be thrown into the mix. I've completely removed his outlook on the biz from any conversation whatsoever. He's not a bad guy, but his logic is so warped. For as long as I've known him on here, I don't think we've agreed on much in the world of wrestling except for JBL being the man & Undertaker being the GOAT. I'm done trying to have to convince a lugnut or two in the WWE section. I post my thoughts and if anyone tries to call me out on it, I elaborate and that's usually that. I know what McIntyre is capable of. Oh, and I like how you bring up the whole "mic skills have to matter" thing too. It's funny when people use that and then put over someone like Kofi - WHO ISN'T EVEN GOOD ON THE MIC - and say he should be pushed b/c he's a fun wrestler to watch. Is that the WWE market? How did this happen? Opinion is everything. No doubt. But, sometimes you can't hide facts thanks to personal bias. Not liking a wrestler like Regal, Finlay, or Drew isn't the point. Knowing what they're capable of and why they get the praise they do is.

It shows you how unpredictable things can be. Almost makes WWE's staff look like they knew what they were doing when Jeff always got the higher level push over Matt. Maybe there were things we didn't know about. Like all Jeff had was weak will power. Matt had more built up angst. We'll never know it seems.
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Speaking of Jeff......

Jeff Hardy vs. Brock Lesnar, Backlash 2002 - Brock Lesnar squash matches sure are fun to watch. I'd give it around **1/2 but it's a lot of fun.

The Minnesota Stretching Crew vs. Rico Constantino & The Prototype, OVW 2001 - Funny thing about this, it took place as a dark match before Raw. Interesting that WWE had BORK and Cena working dark matches back in 2001 while Steve Austin was still working Raw. It just made me think. Thank God when he got called up he became THE BEAST instead of this dorky guy he was playing in OVW. Brock gets the hot tag towards the end and the crowd responds to his athleticism, even back then. Decent stuff. ***

Brock Lesnar vs. Rob Van Dam, KOTR Finals, KOTR 2002 - ***

Brock Lesnar & Undertaker vs. Rob Van Dam & Ric Flair, Raw 2002 - ***1/2 and possibly higher. Need to watch again.

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http://www.wwedvdnews.com/matches-be...ol2-dvd/34603/

Still not the Sting/Hart match i want lol (sure that is from '99)
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Prison Break. Hilarious. I gave that show what-for last night in the TV thread. I'll make sure my comparative essay goes the right amount of distance with more than enough substance to leave you fulfilled.

Somehow I knew Pyro would be thrown into the mix. I've completely removed his outlook on the biz from any conversation whatsoever. He's not a bad guy, but his logic is so warped. For as long as I've known him on here, I don't think we've agreed on much in the world of wrestling except for JBL being the man & Undertaker being the GOAT. I'm done trying to have to convince a lugnut or two in the WWE section. I post my thoughts and if anyone tries to call me out on it, I elaborate and that's usually that. I know what McIntyre is capable of. Oh, and I like how you bring up the whole "mic skills have to matter" thing too. It's funny when people use that and then put over someone like Kofi - WHO ISN'T EVEN GOOD ON THE MIC - and say he should be pushed b/c he's a fun wrestler to watch. Is that the WWE market? How did this happen? Opinion is everything. No doubt. But, sometimes you can't hide facts thanks to personal bias. Not liking a wrestler like Regal, Finlay, or Drew isn't the point. Knowing what they're capable of and why they get the praise they do is.

It shows you how unpredictable things can be. Almost makes WWE's staff look like they knew what they were doing when Jeff always got the higher level push over Matt. Maybe there were things we didn't know about. Like all Jeff had was weak will power. Matt had more built up angst. We'll never know it seems.
Yup, aside from Pyro professing Benoit/Finlay to be one of the best matches he's ever seen I barely ever see eye to eye with him, though I've spoken to him in months due to me being occupied in select threads nowadays. Love that point about not necessarily agreeing with others over someone's talent, but being blind as to why they receive praise is negligent and curtails good discussion.

Ownage/Saint Dick made a great post last week in the Bryan overrated thread addressing the OPs point about him not being better than Angle. He made a 5 line post, basically overviewing what he thought Bryan did better in condensed and concise form and had some numpty knobhead ridicule it as bullshit when it was by far the most balanced and honest post in the thread in amongst a sea of bitching and incessent arguing without any substance. If I hadn't already exhausted myself on Angle discussions I'd have jumped straight in against KO Bossy or whatever his name was.

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Lets bring it back to '94, shall we?

1994: HBK/Razor Ladder Match: WrestleMania 10 *****
1995: HBK/Razor Ladder Match: SummerSlam'95: ****3/4
1996: HBK/Mankind Mind Games: *****
1997: HBK/Undertaker Hell in a Cell: *****
2000: Triple H vs Cactus Jack Royal Rumble *****
2001: Austin vs The Rock WrestleMania 17 *****

2003 is easily Angle/Benoit to me. Haven't watched any of the matches I'd consider for 1998 and 1999 in along time, so I don't feel comfortable posting what I'd have for them. Perhaps I'll give the matches I consider the best for those years a watch later on this week.

Anyways, this was fun. Fun seeing some of the differences people have for these years. Pretty much all of the matches we list are great matches. It's just a matter of personal preferences from there. Good stuff.

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Yup, aside from Pyro professing Benoit/Finlay to be one of the best matches he's ever seen I barely ever see eye to eye with him, though I've spoken to him in months due to me being occupied in select threads nowadays. Love that point about not necessarily agreeing with others over someone's talent, but being blind as to why they receive praise is negligent and curtails good discussion.

Ownage/Saint Dick made a great post last week in the Bryan overrated thread addressing the OPs point about him not being better than Angle. He made a 5 line post, basically overviewing what he thought Bryan did better in condensed and concise form and had some numpty knobhead ridicule it as bullshit when it was by far the most balanced and honest post in the thread in amongst a sea of bitching and incessent arguing without any substance. If I hadn't already exhausted myself on Angle discussions I'd have jumped straight in against KO Bossy or whatever his name was.

edit: was starting to forget people other than us two posted in here
That's something that seems to get lost on people. Like when I come down on hard on a wrestler such as Kofi Kingston or Matt Morgan, I back it up. I'll give you as to WHY I think (if not know) they're bad or were bad in that particular match. There always has to be a reason there. Not simply "I didn't like it b/c I didn't like it." tripe. Or the worst of the bunch: using the promotions booking to dictate who's worthless or not. Much like the chuds who's apparently labeled Jack Swagger as the most pointless guy on the WWE roster. A comment I can't begin to wrap my brain around. So he's awful on the mic & jobbed last year. That makes him useless? Doesn't his new and apparent revival atm mean the company is trying to build him up again aka make him worth something? Scoffing it off b/c you're not a fan is pretty lousy considering the tirade against him.

I saw his first post in there and already agreed with him. It was funny. All he had to say was "He is better than Angle" and it worked. Then he proceeded to apparently back it up (I didn't see his post, but I have to know it was quality) only to have to obvious reply come back at him. KO Bossy. Yeah, that guy is horrible. He'll find any positive thing about Danielson and try to squash it for whatever reason. Even though he can't. Which makes him look very dense. Not to mention he made a post in the WCW thread today about how he couldn't ever find Mysterio a believable worker when not against Cruiserweights. What a thought process.

We're not the only ones in here? I'm gobsmacked by this tidbit of information.
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I see a few pages back we were taling about 2002

Is there a better year for the WWE than 2002? Good God the talent pool back then was just awesome. That and they actually gave shit and put a lot of effort into the product. When I think best matches of 2002 I don't even think PPV matches! I think Smackdown!

The only year that can rival Smackdown's awesomeness of 2002 is the awesomeness of Smackdown that 2009. It seems as if every month I just have to talk about SD 2002 and SD 2009 here but I can't freaking help it! I'm a sucker for those years.

But, man, 2002 was just epic. Those Edge/Mysterio, Angle/Benoit and Los Guerrero matches were just amazing. I believe the 2/3 falls took place on SD? That match kicked so much ass. When last has WWE ever done a 2/3 falls tag match? And with teams/division that you cared about? What's even more interesting is that those were complete makeshift tag teams. What the hell did Edge and Mysterio have in common to be a tag team? They were just thrown together. But because of booking, they felt like a real tag team. Oh and Edge and Hogan Edge is one lucky son of a bitch for getting to team with Hulk freaking Hogan.
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