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post #16651 of 20566 (permalink) Old 02-06-2013, 01:12 AM
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Okay so, since these things fluctuate alot from month to month, your current WWE MOTY for every year since the beginning of the WWE Era ? Essentially what I'm asking for is every MOTY from 2002-2012

2002 : Brock Lesnar vs The Undertaker (No Mercy 2002) : **** 1/2
2003 : Brock Lesnar vs Kurt Angle (Smackdown 2003) : **** 1/2
2004 : Triple H vs Shawn Michaels vs Chris Benoit (Wrestlemania XX) : *****
2005 : Triple H vs Batista (Vengeance 2005) : **** 3/4
2006 : The Undertaker vs Kurt Angle (No Way Out 2006) : *****
2007 : John Cena vs Umaga (Royal Rumble 2007) : **** 1/2
2008 : The Undertaker vs Edge (Wrestlemania XXIV) : **** 1/2
2009 : The Undertaker vs Shawn Michaels (Wrestlemania XXV) : *****
2010 : The Undertaker vs Shawn Michaels (Wrestlemania XXVI) : *****
2011 : CM Punk vs John Cena (Money in the Bank 2011) : *****
2012 : John Cena vs Brock Lesnar (Extreme Rules 2012) : *****

THE UNDERTAKER RULES THE FUCKING WORLD. Seriously, I never realized that we've had four years in a row with five star matches in each year, that's ridiculously fucked up. If we can credit Bret Hart and Shawn Michaels for anything, it would be setting the precedent for what's expected to get over in today's WWE. We're at an age now where we're getting a classic seemingly every couple of months, whereas pre 1994 that was pretty damn hard to come by in the WWE.

Just the fact that I have four WWE five star matches since 2009, and basically NONE from 84-93 should tell you everything you need to know about that. Guys are just telling better stories nowadays because that's what it takes to get over.





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Yeah, completely forgot how good Morrison/Sheamus was. That shit was awesome.

HBK/Jericho Ladder Match is hands down my 2008 match of the year and feud of the year. Wasn't too big on the overall Edge/Taker feud. Didn't dig the chemistry ( or lack there of).
No doubt. Those guys produced a hell of a ladder match.

Jericho vs Shawn goes without saying. It was magic. Jericho's work in that series was brilliant.

I'd say Taker and Edge had chemistry. Just not in the environment of a TLC match. All the others (well, JD is a complete blur to me) were well worth seeing. WrestleMania or their Hell in a Cell. Not sure which I like more.

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Edit: Fuck it, MOTY's for as far back as I can go!:

1987 : Randy Savage vs. Ricky Steamboat (Wrestlemania 3): ****1/4
1988 : No Idea
1989 : Hulk Hogan vs. Randy Savage (Wrestlemania 5): ****1/4
1990 : Hulk Hogan vs. The Ultimate Warrior (Wrestlemania 6): ****
1991 : Randy Savage vs. The Ultimate Warrior (Wrestlemania 7): ****
1992 : Ric Flair vs. Randy Savage (Wrestlemania 8): ****1/4
1993 : Bret Hart vs. Mr. Perfect (King of the Ring 1993): ****1/4
1994 : Bret Hart vs. Owen Hart (Wrestlemania 10): *****
1995 : Shawn Michaels vs. Razor Ramon (Summerslam 1995): ****
1996 : Bret Hart vs. Stone Cold Steve Austin (Survivor Series 1996): *****
1997 : Bret Hart vs. Stone Cold Steve Austin (Wrestlemania 13): *****
1998 : The Undertaker vs. Shawn Michaels (Royal Rumble 1998): ****
1999 : The Undertaker vs. Stone Cold Steve Austin (Fully Loaded 1999): ****1/4
2000 : Cactus Jack vs. Triple H (Royal Rumble 2000): *****
2001 : Stone Cold Steve Austin vs. The Rock (Wrestlemania 17): *****
2002 : Brock Lesnar vs The Undertaker (No Mercy 2002) : ****3/4
2003 : Chris Benoit vs Kurt Angle (Royal Rumble 2003): *****
2004 : Eddie Guerrero vs. JBL (Judgement Day 2004): ****1/2
2005 : Shawn Michaels vs. Kurt Angle (Wrestlemania 21): ****1/2
2006 : The Undertaker vs Kurt Angle (No Way Out 2006) : *****
2007 : The Undertaker vs. Batista (Wrestlemania 23): ****1/2
2008 : The Undertaker vs Edge (Summerslam 2008): ****3/4
2009 : The Undertaker vs Shawn Michaels (Wrestlemania XXV) : *****
2010 : The Undertaker vs Shawn Michaels (Wrestlemania XXVI) : ****3/4
2011 : CM Punk vs John Cena (Money in the Bank 2011) : ****1/2
2012 : CM Punk vs Daniel Bryan (Over the Limit 2012 : *****

(FYI, pre-2000, things get fuzzy for me in the match department, especially pre-1996 and it just gets worse and worse to the point the match you see is the only match I really remember well enough to put on my list)

Totals for top 5 on list:

Taker: 8
HBK: 5
Savage: 4
Hart: 4
Austin: 4

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Re: Official DVD/Match/Show Discussion Thread

2002: HBK vs Triple H SummerSlam '02: ****1/2
2003: Kurt Angle vs Chris Benoit Royal Rumble '03: ****3/4
2004: HBK vs HHH vs Benoit WrestleMania XX: *****
2005: Shawn Michaels vs. Kurt Angle WrestleMania XXI: ****3/4
2006: Taker vs Angle No Way Out: ****1/2 (really weak year)
2007: HBK vs Cena RAW: ****1/2
2008: Jericho vs. HBK No Mercy Ladder Match: *****
2009: HBK vs 'Taker WrestleMania 25: *****
2010: HBK vs 'Taker WrestleMania 26: *****
2011: CM Punk vs John Cena MITB: ****3/4

2012: I am honestly torn here between Taker/Triple H and Bryan/Punk. Two completely different matches, obviously. Punk/Bryan easily wins the technical aspect, as it was a technical masterpiece. Taker/HHH win from an amazing drama/atmosphere aspect. It felt like an even onto itself. I could go either way and give both matches ****3/4.



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You guys both have Angle/Michaels as MOTY in 2005 ? DAMN. I liked it on the last watch and I know a ton of people are extremely high on the match, but it wouldn't be in my top five for 2005 IIRC, AGAIN... need to rewatch so we'll see how it goes when I reach Mania XXI . Since this is never ever discussed, here are my runners up ;

2002 : Triple H vs Shawn Michaels (Summerslam) : **** 1/2
2003 : Kurt Angle vs Chris Benoit (Royal Rumble) : **** 1/2
2004 : Brock Lesnar vs Eddie Guerrero (No Way Out) : **** 3/4
2005 : Elimination Chamber III (New Years Revolution) : **** 3/4
2006 : Chris Benoit vs William Regal (No Mercy) : **** 1/2
2007 : The Undertaker vs Batista (Wrestlemania XXIII) : **** 1/2
2008 : The Undertaker vs Edge (Summerslam) : **** 1/2
2009 : CM Punk vs Jeff Hardy (Smackdown) : **** 1/4
2010 : Dolph Ziggler vs Daniel Bryan (Bragging Rights) : **** 1/4
2011 : The Undertaker vs Triple H (Wrestlemania XXVII) : **** 3/4
2012 : CM Punk vs Daniel Bryan (Over The Limit) : **** 3/4

I'd consider 207 to be the weakest year, as 2009 and 2010 weren't top heavy per se............ But they were really fucking consistent, seemed like every match was three stars or higher in 2009.





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Yeah 2010's key was the consistency. That's what made it so much fun.

2006 deserves a plug b/c it was the year guys like Benoit, Finlay, & Regal stole.

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HBK/Angle is awesome. 2010 is probably my weakest year from a Top 5 standpoint in STARZ, as it's the only year to get as low as **** matches in my top 5 (The WHC EC and Taker/Punk SD September)

Runner ups for 2002 on:

2002: Undertaker vs. Angle vs. Rock (Vengeance): ****1/2
2003: Lesnar vs. Angle (SD Ironman): ****3/4
2004: Eddie Guerrero vs. Brock Lesnar (No Way Out 2004): ****1/2
2005: Batista vs. HHH (Vengeance 2005): ****1/2
2006: Undertaker vs. Angle (SD 06): ****1/4
2007: Cena vs. Umaga (Royal Rumble 2007): ****1/2
2008: HBK vs. Jericho (No Mercy 2008): ****1/2
2009: Jericho vs. Mysterio (The Bash 2009): ****1/2
2010: Bryan vs. Ziggler (Bragging Rights 2010): ****1/4
2011: Christian vs. Orton (Over the Limit 2011): ****1/2
2012: The Shield vs. Ryback, Bryan, and Kane (TLC 2012): ****1/2

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I think I could make a top 10 from 2010 right now and have every match in there pulling a **** or higher. I think some people sleep on some of the TV classics. I haven't come close to finishing them, but there are plenty in that year.

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One thing I'll never forgive WWE for ; Randy Orton vs Wade Barrett @ Bragging Rights 2010 & Survivor Series 2010. Both of those matches were fucking HORRENDOUS, and I honestly don't think that we've seen any PPV main events worse since then. Slow, plodding, boring, dull , with absolutely no substance to the matches at all... Kind of makes me sick just thinking about it actually.

Oh My God... I just realized that the PPV main event before those two was Taker vs Kane in the cell.... Did the WWE just want to run all of their fans away from the product that fall or what ? DAMN. Has there ever been a worse PPV Main event streak than that one ? Pretty sure it's fucking impossible.





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Have you never seen the main events from 1995?

And yeah, all 3 of those matches sucked the events as a whole had more than enough to make up for them. If Triple H vs Randy Orton managed to not turn off people from WRESTLEMANIA, than 3 crappy matches on some fun lesser shows in 2010 were more than enough to survive.

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