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Old 02-05-2013, 08:26 PM   #16601 (permalink)
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I personally enjoyed a few of Orton's matches with Barrett from 2011/2012, and I think the majority of their matches are passable for free TV, but they shouldn't be happening as much as they are. Honestly I doubt they could have an impressive match anymore even if they tried, because they've done pretty much everything they could do with each other multiple times.

Orton in general isn't that great, but my problems with him are essentially what's been said in this thread. He had a great match with Ziggler last year I believe, and an okay match with Del Rio at HIAC, but he just doesn't do much to interest me anymore. His in-ring work has regressed, his mic work is terrible, and coupled with that his character is horrendous. And honestly, I wish I could say I cared that WWE isn't giving him anything meaningful to do, but I don't. Not when we have talents in the main event like Punk, Rock, Lesnar, and guys around the same level on the card right now or above Orton like Jericho, Bryan, Ziggler, even Sheamus I'd put above Orton right now. Even Ryback, who's an inferior talent to Orton in just about every way, appeals to me more due to the nature and freshness of his character than Orton.

I used to be a huge Orton mark, he was even my second favorite wrestler in the company at one point next to Undertaker, but pretty much from his losing at WM25-when he won the World Title from Christian, my interest had been decreasing in him and then when he took the title from Christian, a guy who deserved to have a shot as the face of the B-brand, it was at that point I realized I didn't even really like Orton anymore. I got to a point of hating him until he lost the title to Henry, and since he's fucked off to the lower main event and been doing little to nothing, he hasn't been at the "hate" level, but rather the "I don't care anymore" level. If he got released tomorrow I wouldn't bat an eye. And if he got fired due to a wellness violation, I don't think it would matter too much anymore in the company's eyes either.
100% the same here for me. Extra emphasis on the bolded part. Maybe that's why I'm so soured like the way I am.
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Old 02-05-2013, 08:29 PM   #16602 (permalink)
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Top Twelve BROCK LESNAR Matches (I can do a top 12 because FU) :

1. vs John Cena @ Extreme Rules 2012 (Extreme Rules Match) : ***** (MOTY)
2. vs Eddie Guerrero @ No Way Out 2004 : **** 3/4
3. vs The Undertaker @ No Mercy 2002 (Hell in a Cell Match) : **** 3/4 (MOTY)
4. vs Kurt Angle @ SD 2003 (Ironman Match) : **** 1/2
5. vs Triple H @ Summerslam 2012 (No Holds Barred) : **** 1/2
6. vs Kurt Angle vs The Big Show @ Vengeance 2003 : **** 1/2
7. vs The Big Show @ Judgment Day 2003 (Stretcher Match) : **** 1/4
8. vs The Rock @ Summerslam 2002 : **** 1/4
9. vs Kurt Angle @ Wrestlemania XIX : **** 1/4
10. vs Kurt Angle @ Summerslam 2003 : **** 1/4
11. vs The Undertaker @ Unforgiven 2002 : **** 1/4
12. vs Chris Benoit @ SD 2003 : **** 1/4

NOTE ; It's not that I rate matches too high, it's that I actually think Brock is THIS GOOD with some of the best control segments I've ever seen out of an individual. His athleticism is unmatched by any WWE worker past or present , which enables him to be in a class of his own as a monster heel. As a babyface he isn't a slouch either... Think of Sheamus' babyface offensive style as a poor man's Brock Lesnar. Seriously, these are the LESNAR matches that I currently have over four stars, and I honestly think that all of them would be in my top 150 WWE/WWF matches ever. FUCK, the guy hasn't been around for very long and he's currently got three of my top 25 matches in WWF/WWE history under his belt. The most talented worker in the ring ever as far as I'm concerned. Not the BEST, but when it comes to RAW TALENT nobody's better pound for pound than BROCK..

Every single Lesnar match is worth watching as far as I'm concerned, even vs Goldberg for the sheer hilarity.

I LOVE RANDY. Don't get me wrong guys, but a face Orton vs a monster heel Lesnar MIGHT work if Orton ditched his traditional babyface comeback like Cena did in his Extreme Rules match earlier in 2012. It pisses me off that the guy has a fucking attitude problem and won't work well with anybody nowadays.... But he has alot of talent and an Orton-Lesnar match would definitely interest me. If he stuck to his "going to a sick place" Viper-esque Randy, it would fucking suck due to the fact that that shit wouldn't really be believeable against BROCK FUCKING LESNAR. A Punk match would work simple ; Punk could try and out smart Lesnar and BAM there we go. Sheamus/BROCK would be too big guys trying to it each other, and Taker/Brock is self explanatory. Bryan-Lesnar would be awesome due to it being a mix of Mysterio/Lesnar with BROCK trying to catch him with shades of Eddie/Brock (LOL VENOM) being thrown in there.

Ryback wouldn't be able to keep up with Lesnar at this point. Fuck that match
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100% the same here for me. Extra emphasis on the bolded part. Maybe that's why I'm so soured like the way I am.
I understand that but you go over the top with it. You even say he's awful because he's on autopilot as if talent is something that just comes and goes. I understand if you don't like him as he is, but you take it too far. I mean I don't like Cena as he is right now, but I'm still a fan.

And Yeah1993's response was hilarious. Don't know why it cracked me up. Might be the funny example or the bluntness of it. Some very good points, though. But again, working hard doesn't always mean you get what you deserve. Christian was just one example and another is Chris Benoit. Nobody had the talent of his in the ring but he was always treated like shit in the midcards when he should have been main eventing consistently.
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On a total change of subject - am I the only guy here who marks for Edge vs Kurt Angle from Judgment Day 2002?

b/c it's pretty LEGIT.

EDIT ~ Nah, it wasn't over the top. It was factual. I've seen you say nothing negative towards Orton. So, until that changes my point about actually pointing out both positives and negatives towards wrestlers will remain fair. I only call it like I see it. Orton's work has dropped off. That's just how it is.

You're going to tell me I take things too far? I'm reading your sig right now as I type this. Pot calling the kettle black here.
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I used to be a huge Orton mark, he was even my second favorite wrestler in the company at one point next to Undertaker, but pretty much from his losing at WM25-when he won the World Title from Christian, my interest had been decreasing in him and then when he took the title from Christian, a guy who deserved to have a shot as the face of the B-brand, it was at that point I realized I didn't even really like Orton anymore. I got to a point of hating him until he lost the title to Henry, and since he's fucked off to the lower main event and been doing little to nothing, he hasn't been at the "hate" level, but rather the "I don't care anymore" level. If he got released tomorrow I wouldn't bat an eye. And if he got fired due to a wellness violation, I don't think it would matter too much anymore in the company's eyes either.
I share similar sentiments.

Orton was probably my second favorite wrestler in 04, loved his Legend Killer character and I liked him up until 06. After 06 I started to not care for him as much, and when he became the awful viper character and started to get shoved down our throats bad in 09 I started to really dislike him. Then later the Orton/Christian feud didn't help, but I was much more annoyed at Vince at the time for never giving Christian a true chance then Orton, because Orton was just following orders, wasn't Orton's fault that Christian got buried. Now like you, I'm at a ''I don't care anymore'' level with him. It's crazy how far Orton's fallen though, he's a 9 time World Champion, 9 TIME, and he's doing jobs in the midcard. You never saw the likes of Cena, Triple H or Edge losing to the IC Champion or the MITB holder. But with Orton's wellness policy violations, and badly timed injures, it's partly his fault for his downfall.
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On a total change of subject - am I the only guy here who marks for Edge vs Kurt Angle from Judgment Day 2002?

b/c it's pretty LEGIT.

EDIT ~ Nah, it wasn't over the top. It was factual. I've seen you say nothing negative towards Orton. So, until that changes my point about actually pointing out both positives and negatives towards wrestlers will remain fair. I only call it like I see it. Orton's work has dropped off. That's just how it is.

You're going to tell me I take things too far? I'm reading your sig right now as I type this. Pot calling the kettle black here.
Absolutely re: Angle/Edge Judgement Day 2002! One of my favorite matches of 2002, along with HBK/Triple H SummerSlam 2002 (MOTY). Two of the best matches of 2002.
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On a total change of subject - am I the only guy here who marks for Edge vs Kurt Angle from Judgment Day 2002?

b/c it's pretty LEGIT.
Almost as legit as the PPV's theme song from 12 Stones. ****. Underrated match but I don't know if it was better than their Backlash one.
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Absolutely re: Angle/Edge Judgement Day 2002! One of my favorite matches of 2002, along with HBK/Triple H SummerSlam 2002. Two of the best matches of 2002.


I wished I had their match from Backlash on me. I recall it being pretty awesome too and it would probably open more more appreciation for the rematch such as call back/near falls played off of the original match. Those two had a hell of a 2002 imo. Back when I was so big on Kurt. When he deserved praise.
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There was actually a point where I liked Orton just as much if not MORE so than THE GAME during Triple H's absence in 2005. Than he stopped his cocky schtick in 2007 and began to walk slow to the ring and talking like a robot, trying to be some kind of outlaw heel/face/tweener but failing miserably in my eyes.

Probably the only person in the world who has face viper Orton > heel viper Orton. Randy "I'm a cocky prick in real life, I'll fuck your girlfriend while smoking PCP and won't even feel bad about it, watch me strike this bad ass pretty boy pose on the top turnbuckle" Orton is fucking GOD. He was like the poor man's HBK 1997 during that period when it comes to art imitating life. From his intial turn against Taker to his suspension (fuck you Randy) in 2006 he was arguably the best in the company.

UGH. That FUCKING 2009 feud with John Cena. WORST.

EDIT : Love me some Edge/Angle from Judgment Day 2002, which is strange because at times I can't stand Edge and Angle isn't really the greatest in my book either, but these were DA GOOD OL' ANGLE DAYS!
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I wished I had their match from Backlash on me. I recall it being pretty awesome too and it would probably open more more appreciation for the rematch such as call back/near falls played off of the original match. Those two had a hell of a 2002 imo. Back when I was so big on Kurt. When he deserved praise.
Same here. I actually had Backlash 2002 on DVD but lost it along time ago. Haven't seen that match of theirs in awhile because of that. Have to check that out soon.
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