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post #16581 of 20566 (permalink) Old 02-05-2013, 08:23 PM
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Re: Official DVD/Match/Show Discussion Thread

Orton is a guy who pull out something notable every now and then but his average match nowadays are just plain, run-through-the-motions stuff that can be really boring. I cannot imagine them running him v Lesnar.

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lol @ the same ol "he needs motivation" thing.

I've said my thoughts on that already, but that's such a pathetic excuse. GIVE ME BETTER BOOKING AND I'LL GIVE YOU BETTER MATCHES. No, you twat. You put your best effort in and hope the company rewards you for it. Besides, it's not like a good opponent magically means anything. He worked vs Cesaro with time and it wasn't good. So there you go.

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Yeah, Orton has done nothing for me in years. Give him a decent storyline that actually has some thought behind it like his feud with Christian in 2011 and he can produce some classics. Throw him in a random feud with Wade fuckin' Barrett which has zero direction and just features them having back-to-back TV matches every other week and he's the definition of bland. I don't think I've watched more than one Orton match this year.
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Re: Official DVD/Match/Show Discussion Thread

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lol @ the same ol "he needs motivation" thing.

I've said my thoughts on that already, but that's such a pathetic excuse. GIVE ME BETTER BOOKING AND I'LL GIVE YOU BETTER MATCHES. No, you twat. You put your best effort in and hope the company rewards you for it. Besides, it's not like a good opponent magically means anything. He worked vs Cesaro with time and it wasn't good. So there you go.
I liked the Cesaro matches.

Still, it's a perfect excuse for him to not give a fuck when he has to wrestle WADE BARRETT every week. He's above this shit and he has every right to phone it in when they screw him over with this kind of bullshit booking.
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Nah. That's just sad to justify it. If he doesn't like it - there's the door.

Someone like Christian gets shoveled shit and look what he does. Puts the effort in. Exactly. No amount of Orton marking can't justify this.

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Top 5 BORK matches:

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There's a difference between a good match and a good performance. I don't really expect anyone v Barrett to be good, but if the wrestler opposite him is talented then the performance by that wrestler should be good. Orton isn't bad, but he does nothing to show me he's particularly good any more. Being in there with the same not-good opponent like Barrett isn't an excuse for not being very good yourself.

I don't give a fuck who you are or what position you are in, being in a match with a Barrett multiple times isn't an excuse to phone it in.

EDIT- Nice point @ Cody. Christian is a perfect example. Worked with everyone on anyone on the roster between 09-11 and looked like one of the best wrestlers in the world during that time no matter who was in there or what booking he got. In some cases, the absolute best.

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That's what I'm saying. I know it's old and stale as fuck or if Barrett isn't the best wrestler out there. Doesn't mean those fans in that crowd that day feel the same way. b/c probably a lot of them don't watch every single match like how fans like myself or anyone else do. Not to mention house shows too. Does he phone it in there if he has to work vs Barrett 3 days in a row? I hope not.

EDIT ~ Christian was the first guy to jump out at me for someone who always puts their effort into the bulk of their matches.

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Re: Official DVD/Match/Show Discussion Thread

I think the fact that Hayley stated is that it really looks that with every match Orton's seemingly going through the motions. He is putting no effort into trying to make his matches different or better. It seems that he has no motivation, and I'm not going to blame that on the booking of Orton because Orton should know that no matter where he is placed on the card or whoever he faces he should give full effort.

The christian example is perfect

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There's a difference between a good match and a good performance. I don't really expect anyone v Barrett to be good, but if the wrestler opposite him is talented then the performance by that wrestler should be good. Orton isn't bad, but he does nothing to show me he's particularly good any more. Being in there with the same not-good opponent like Barrett isn't an excuse for not being very good yourself.

I don't give a fuck who you are or what position you are in, being in a match with a Barrett multiple times isn't an excuse to phone it in.
But here's the thing. Why bother putting effort into a 5 minute match that will be done again the next week which causes all that effort to go unnoticed? Let's say Orton puts more effort in in a Barrett match and it ends up being good. Then they have another match the next week (124989175 on the series) and the previous one will be forgotten about and all that effort will go unappreciated. Might as well phone it in since putting in any efforts helps no one.

As for Christian. He deserves better but I wouldn't blame him one bit if he ever phoned it in due to the garbage they have him put up with. And hell, he's perfect example of how working hard doesn't necessarily get you rewarded.
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