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Old 04-26-2012, 06:37 PM   #1641 (permalink)
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Gave a few big matches some rewatches.

WWE Championship: Triple H vs. Randy Orton - WrestleMania XXV

I like this match more every time I watch it. I love how they both hit their finishers in the first minute or so. It was a very nice way of saying "yes, you have seen this match a million times before. To show you how this one will be different, the BEGINNING of the match is just like how the other ones ENDED, so you don't know where this is going." It also put the match in a nice climax mode, already, since the action didn't need to build.

I like how it was just a fight from the beginning. There were some sick moves, like Triple flipping Orton out of the ring with the punt. The closing minutes were really good, too, with a nice ref bump, and I LOVE the ending. Orton getting the sledgehammer, HHH surprising Orton with a punt, hitting Orton with the sledge, and then just beating the hell out of him. Without the ref, it showed just how badly he wanted to pummel him. The pedigree was to show he was going to kill Orton how he wanted. I love this ending.

Problem is, two matches before, UT/HBK was the best match of the year. The crowd is dead, the story HHH/Orton is trying to tell is not apparent (I didn't pick up on what it was going for until later viewings, I hated it live), and the whole match feels like a great grudge blow-off that would be better off in the middle of the card. It has a lot of storytelling and drama, and is not focused on the action...which doesn't work for the main event. The truth is, while there is no comparison in quality, look at UT/HHH HIAC and this match...they're both going for the same effect. Difference is, UT/HHH went on fifth. This match went on last. Knowing what we know now, WM should have gone like this: IC Title, MITB, Battle Royal, Hardy/Hardy, Legends match, HHH/Orton, WHC 3-way, UT/HBK.

I honestly believe it would have played a lot better in the middle of the card, because that's where it belonged. Some matches, even GREAT matches, shouldn't go on last, including UT/HHH HIAC. This match was just in the wrong place at the wrong time. But I see what it was going for, and I quite like it.

***1/4
I'm probably one of the few people on here that agrees with you. Thought it was a really sound match which suffered from a lack of crowd heat due to following Michaels/Taker.
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Old 04-26-2012, 06:49 PM   #1642 (permalink)
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Speaking of Wrestlemania 24, why is the triple threat match between Cena, Orton and HHH so underrated? I watched the whole thing a few weeks ago and it's an excellent match and probably the second best triple threat in Mania history, below Benoit/HBK/HHH.
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and probably the second best triple threat in Mania history, below Benoit/HBK/HHH.
Angle/Benoit/Jericho at WM2000 (16) is sick. I love that match.

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I really like this match lol. I don't know why but I really do like it. Fun little match and they played the whole David vs. Goliath thing to perfection imo. Outside of Flair/HBK, I'd have it as my second favorite match from Mania 24 if I'm being honest. Yeah, I liked it that much lol.
You like Show/Mayweather more than Edge/Taker? Interesting. I think the Edge/Taker match is one of the best Mania matches the last 5-10 years. One of the few times I thought the streak might be done.
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Speaking of Wrestlemania 24, why is the triple threat match between Cena, Orton and HHH so underrated? I watched the whole thing a few weeks ago and it's an excellent match and probably the second best triple threat in Mania history, below Benoit/HBK/HHH.
Yeah it's good. The triple threat they had at Night of Champions '09 (I think?) was good too.
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WWE Championship: The Miz vs. John Cena - WrestleMania XXVII

What's sad about this match for me is that this happened right around the time I was convinced Cena could carry anyone to a good match. I had seen how terribly Wade Barrett had done in matches with Orton, but so well in matches against Cena, Cena had had quite a few good matches with Sheamus (including a house show match which reminded me of Cena/Orton at SS '07), and for the most part, I had really enjoyed the 2010 series with Batista. I was just starting to think he had the formula down for an entertaining match, kinda like Rocky, who always put on a show (even if it wasn't the best).

But I was wrong. This match is so bad. I don't know if Cena was sick, distracted by all the Cena hate, sandbagging Miz, or what, but this is easily the worst performance he's ever given. It almost comes off as intentionally bad. He just gets pummeled by Miz, barely sells it, doesn't look like he even knows what he's doing, it's unwatchable.

The match picks up a little bit towards the end, with some A-Ri interference and a ref bump, Miz hitting the scf and Cena hitting an aa, and then the match does the unthinkable: Miz falls out of the ring, Cena slams him through the barricade, and they both get counted out.

The main event of WrestleMania ends on a countout.

But oh wait, the part of the match everyone was waiting for and knew would happen...the only part of the match people wanted to see: Rock comes out, throws the RAW laptop down, restarts the match under nodq rules, Cena tries to hit another aa on Miz, and then gets rock-bottomed. Miz makes the pin. 1, 2, 3.

The first heel to retain in the main event of WrestleMania since 2000 once again gets his ass handed to him by The Rock. Problem is, this time, The Rock wasn't in the match. The Rock wasn't in ANY match. The main event, hell the entire show, of WrestleMania ends with a non-competitor standing tall, alone.

I'll never forgive WWE for using an entire WM to set up the next. The fact that Rocky came back in February '11, had a feud with Cena, got the best of Cena at WM, Survivor Series, and it all lead to that mediocre match is just infuriating. But the worst part is that this entire match was nothing more than setup for another match a year away.


So there you have it, a clumsy, awkward main event, with a couple of bright spots, that ends in a double co, an obvious finish, and a non-competitor the only man standing.

I never understand why anyone calls this the worst WM of all time, watching Edge/Del Rio, Mysterio/Rhodes, Orton/Punk, and UT/HHH...and then I get to this match, and I could really see why. While I don't agree completely about that, I will say this:

this IS the worst WM main event ever.

EVER.

Try to think of a worse one, and I'll show you why it's not. This match could have been 20 minutes of fun. It could have been the rematch they had on RAW a few weeks later.

And yes, I did compare. The ME of WM 1 gets a bye for it's history, 2 for being a classic Hogan monster match, 3 is the same, 8 is at least Hogan's last hurrah in the WM main event and the awesome return of the Warrior, 9 I personally like, 11 at least was unexpected, 13 ended with UT winning a WM main event, and comparing this to Triple H's less-than-stellar main events at 18, 21, 25 isn't even fair. I wanted to like this, I really did.

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My birthday today, and my brother told me to order something for 20 on his card (I have all his details written down lol...). So I went to SV, and thanks to their sale and the "buy 3+ DVD's get 20% off" I was able to get:

Steve Austin:The Most Popular Superstar Of All Time DVD (4 Discs)
Money in the Bank 2011 DVD
WWE Live In The UK: April 2010 DVD (2 Discs)
Divas Undressed DVD

For 20.66 . Bargain for the Austin DVD (its currently only 6.99 btw), MITB was an awesome event (and only 5.99 atm too!), I love owning the UK shows (love that they started releasing them on DVD, and its great to own the show if you went to it), and the Divas Undressed DVD is in the stock clearance sale, so when its sold out its gone forever (and once its gone and out of print, it becomes RARE and worth money ).
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WCW - Fall Brawl 1995

1. Johnny B Badd vs Brian Pillman
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2. Cobra vs Sgt. Craig Pittman
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3. TV Title
Renegade vs DDP
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4. Tag Titles
Bunkhouse Buck & Dick Slater vs Harlem Heat
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5. Arn Anderson vs Ric Flair
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6. War Games
Hulk Hogan, Randy Savage, Sting & Lex Luger vs Zodiac, Shark, Kamala & Meng
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WCW - Saturday Night - 10/1/98

1. El Dandy vs Juventud Guerrera
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2. Fit Finlay vs Meng
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WWE Championship: The Miz vs. John Cena - WrestleMania XXVII

What's sad about this match for me is that this happened right around the time I was convinced Cena could carry anyone to a good match. I had seen how terribly Wade Barrett had done in matches with Orton, but so well in matches against Cena, Cena had had quite a few good matches with Sheamus (including a house show match which reminded me of Cena/Orton at SS '07), and for the most part, I had really enjoyed the 2010 series with Batista. I was just starting to think he had the formula down for an entertaining match, kinda like Rocky, who always put on a show (even if it wasn't the best).

But I was wrong. This match is so bad. I don't know if Cena was sick, distracted by all the Cena hate, sandbagging Miz, or what, but this is easily the worst performance he's ever given. It almost comes off as intentionally bad. He just gets pummeled by Miz, barely sells it, doesn't look like he even knows what he's doing, it's unwatchable.

The match picks up a little bit towards the end, with some A-Ri interference and a ref bump, Miz hitting the scf and Cena hitting an aa, and then the match does the unthinkable: Miz falls out of the ring, Cena slams him through the barricade, and they both get counted out.

The main event of WrestleMania ends on a countout.

But oh wait, the part of the match everyone was waiting for and knew would happen...the only part of the match people wanted to see: Rock comes out, throws the RAW laptop down, restarts the match under nodq rules, Cena tries to hit another aa on Miz, and then gets rock-bottomed. Miz makes the pin. 1, 2, 3.

The first heel to retain in the main event of WrestleMania since 2000 once again gets his ass handed to him by The Rock. Problem is, this time, The Rock wasn't in the match. The Rock wasn't in ANY match. The main event, hell the entire show, of WrestleMania ends with a non-competitor standing tall, alone.

I'll never forgive WWE for using an entire WM to set up the next. The fact that Rocky came back in February '11, had a feud with Cena, got the best of Cena at WM, Survivor Series, and it all lead to that mediocre match is just infuriating. But the worst part is that this entire match was nothing more than setup for another match a year away.


So there you have it, a clumsy, awkward main event, with a couple of bright spots, that ends in a double co, an obvious finish, and a non-competitor the only man standing.

I never understand why anyone calls this the worst WM of all time, watching Edge/Del Rio, Mysterio/Rhodes, Orton/Punk, and UT/HHH...and then I get to this match, and I could really see why. While I don't agree completely about that, I will say this:

this IS the worst WM main event ever.

EVER.

Try to think of a worse one, and I'll show you why it's not. This match could have been 20 minutes of fun. It could have been the rematch they had on RAW a few weeks later.

And yes, I did compare. The ME of WM 1 gets a bye for it's history, 2 for being a classic Hogan monster match, 3 is the same, 8 is at least Hogan's last hurrah in the WM main event and the awesome return of the Warrior, 9 I personally like, 11 at least was unexpected, 13 ended with UT winning a WM main event, and comparing this to Triple H's less-than-stellar main events at 18, 21, 25 isn't even fair. I wanted to like this, I really did.

*1/2
I like your review, but the last part isnt fair to me. A lot of those matches were more shitty then Cena/Miz was, but you just chose something that makes them a bit unique. Well WM 27 main event ended with the Rock returning at Wrestlemania after 8 years. Thats what that match will be remembered for, and like you said, the match had a few bright spots in there that didnt make it too horrible.

Other then that, I agree with your review.
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I like your review, but the last part isnt fair to me. A lot of those matches were more shitty then Cena/Miz was, but you just chose something that makes them a bit unique. Well WM 27 main event ended with the Rock returning at Wrestlemania after 8 years. Thats what that match will be remembered for, and like you said, the match had a few bright spots in there that didnt make it too horrible.

Other then that, I agree with your review.
I meant to elaborate on why the main event of WM 27 is worse than some of those others I mentioned.

To me, the main event of WM back then wasn't the HUGE deal it is today. Back in 1985-1992, work-rate was much different, and let's be honest, A LOT of stuff, is just held to a different standard. No one was thinking the main event of WM 1, or 2, or 3, would be a wrestling clinic. The first WM me was a tag team match that did its job. For 1986, Hogan defending the title against a monster in a cage was what it needed to be. Same goes for III. Hogan/Sid is bad (probably the second worst main event), but at least it was part of the arc of Hogan WM main events.

I guess my problem is this: once you get to, say, WM 12: the main event is supposed to be a huge deal. After WM 12, 14, 17, 19, 20, 22, 23, 24, and 26, for the WM main event to be of such pure quality is more inexusable than a crappy Hogan cage match or whatever silliness 1995 came up with. The main event of WM 27 should, essentially, know better. As I mentioned in my review of WM 25, while the main event was very flawed, I saw that it was going for something special. If you go back, you'll see that the last time the main event just wasn't that good (because it sucked AND it had no story) was WM X8. That's why it strikes me as worse.
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Is the Best of WCW Clash of Champions DVD still coming to the UK? It was on Silver Visions' Pre-Order list but isn't anymore....
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