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Orton/Christian was in it only off the top of my head - about **** at best IMO. Benoit/Lesnar, Taker/Angle 03, Eddie/Rey Steel Cage, TLC III, Punk/Bryan II, etc. are above it. Great match IMO nonetheless.

The Ladder Match has a lot of what made HHH/Lesnar great - insane storytelling and heel/face work. Kayfabe wise, you could actually sympathize with Rey, you could actually root for the good guy there - that's perhaps one of the best things any match/storyline can achieve, and this did it right here flawlessly, despite the tasteless gimmick and build.
***. Christian was rad in it. Orton did his role fine. It's nothing overly special outside of being a good match with a heartbreaking finish.

Dislike Brock vs Game quite a bit, myself. And I always found myself rooting for Eddie over Rey during that entire program. I wanted him to get the win. Earn that vindication. That's me. Of course the crowd felt otherwise. Eddie was such an amazing evil figure at the time. Even with that boneheaded addition to the storyline.

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GAB was the only Eddie/Rey match where Dominic being part of the angle actually worked. And it was ALL down to Eddie. Guy was just incredible. Ladder match might not have been so bad if it wasn't sloppy and botchty in parts (LOL at WHERE THE FUCK IS VICKIE?). Cage match was way better than the ladder at least. Though it would probably be third "worst" of their 05 series with WM and the Ladder being below it.
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***. Christian was rad in it. Orton did his role fine. It's nothing overly special outside of being a good match with a heartbreaking finish.

Dislike Brock vs Game quite a bit, myself. And I always found myself rooting for Eddie over Rey during that entire program. I wanted him to get the win. Earn that vindication. That's me. Of course the crowd felt otherwise. Eddie was such an amazing evil figure at the time. Even with that boneheaded addition to the storyline.
Can't blame ya - who wouldn't root for Eddie fuckin Guerrero?... well, someone not named Kevin Nash I mean...



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Eddie vs Mysterio from May of 2005 not making a list yet is disheartening.
Fuck, can't believe I forgot that match. It was on my list as well, but I must've skipped over it. Awesome match, edited it in.

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Vengeance 2003:
Eddie/Benoit: ****1/2
Noble/Gunn: **3/4
APA Invitational: ***1/2
WGTT/Filthy Animals: ****1/4
Steph/Sable: 3/4*
Taker/Cena: ***3/4
Vince/Gowen: *
Lesnar/Angle/Show: ****1/2

Terrific show, 2nd to No Way Out 06 as the best SD PPV ever. Opener, Main Event and Tag Team Titles matches were amazing, Taker/Cena was very good too, and everything ranged from pretty good to poor but entertaining. Vince/Gowen was decent for what it was btw.



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GAB was the only Eddie/Rey match where Dominic being part of the angle actually worked. And it was ALL down to Eddie. Guy was just incredible. Ladder match might not have been so bad if it wasn't sloppy and botchty in parts (LOL at WHERE THE FUCK IS VICKIE?). Cage match was way better than the ladder at least. Though it would probably be third "worst" of their 05 series with WM and the Ladder being below it.
Need to see the cage match again. Only saw it once back when it originally aired. It never made a set did it? I don't own Rey's Life of a Masked Man or Eddie's 3 disc set (</3) yet so maybe it's on one of those.

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Can't blame ya - who wouldn't root for Eddie fuckin Guerrero?... well, someone not named Kevin Nash I mean...
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Fuck, can't believe I forgot that match. It was on my list as well, but I must've skipped over it. Awesome match, edited it in.


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Vengeance 2003:
Eddie/Benoit: ****1/2
Noble/Gunn: **3/4
APA Invitational: ***1/2
WGTT/Filthy Animals: ****1/4
Steph/Sable: 3/4*
Taker/Cena: ***3/4
Vince/Gowen: *
Lesnar/Angle/Show: ****1/2

Terrific show, 2nd to No Way Out 06 as the best SD PPV ever. Opener, Main Event and Tag Team Titles matches were amazing, Taker/Cena was very good too, and everything ranged from pretty good to poor but entertaining. Vince/Gowen was decent for what it was btw.
Vengeance > NWO '06, imo. It had a crowd that cared for every match - not just the main event. (seriously, those fans at NWO can go to hell till the main event)

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Vengeance 03:
Eddie/Benoit: ****
Noble/Gunn: **
APA Invitational: ***
WGTT/Filthy Animals: ***1/4
Steph/Sable: **
Taker/Cena: ***3/4
Vince/Gowen: 1/4*
Lesnar/Angle/Show: ***1/2

Spoiler for Vengeance 03 review:

WWE Vengeance 27/07/2003

Haven't seen this show in full since it aired. Often brought up as one of the best PPV's, and certainly one of the best single brand PPV's or all time. Hopefully it can live up to the hype, and looking at the card, if the 3 or 4 matches that look potentially awesome hold up, then I can certainly see myself joining everyone in their claims of this being awesome .

Chris Benoit Vs Eddie Guerrero - United States Championship

What a way to start off the event! These guys are 2 of the main reasons (along with Undertaker) that I sooo adored Smackdown during this tme period. Just a bunch of great WRESTLERS competing in the ring to prove themselves as the greatest WRESTLER while still being able to throw in personal rivalries and whatnot. Awesome booking 101. Heyman was in charge of SD around this time, right?

They do a lot of trading holds back and forth with a few pin counters and whatnot too early on. Some people like that, some people don't. Personally, I enjoy it most of the time and I definitely enjoy it here. Helps that both men put in some little touches to everything they do to stop it being so robotic like you got in the Angle/Benoit matches. It not Regal/Finlay/Benoit, but its still good. Plus both men countering things plays into the fact they've known each other for so long, travelled the world, trained together and wrestled each other numerous times in the past. Always better to have an actual history like that when working an "equals" style match like this.

Eventually the back and forth action turns into an Eddie control segment. I love how he starts getting cocky and decides to chop Benoit... who returns the favour... so Eddie just walks over to him and gouges his eye out . Makes Eddie look like a DICK and plays into the buildup for this match, as Eddie tries to blind Benoit a week ago or something.

Eddie's control segment doesn't last nearly as long as I would have liked, but fuuuck, the whole finishing stretch is just tremendous. Overbooked? Yeah, probably, but good god its awesomely fun. Eddie tries to lie, cheat and steal the title on numerous occasions, the poor referee gets beat up about 3 times, and then Rhino charges in right at the end and GORES Benoit to hell. at Eddie's reaction. He sees Rhino running for the Gore and thinks he's aiming for HIM, so he just turns and cowers in hopes it won't be so bad, only to realise Benoit got hit. He shrugs his shoulders and takes advantage anyway, winning the US Title!

Awesome opener. Eddie was just incredible with his antics and facial expressions. Benoit was his usual self, which is a great wrestler and intense as fuck, and they work really well together here. These two guys are usually hit and miss together, but not here.

Rating: ****


Jamie Noble Vs Billy Gunn - Indecent Proposal Match

If Noble wins... he gets to shag Torrie on Smackdown. Not every storyline can be a winner, but I'll be dammed if I wasn't invested in this and living vicariously through Jamie Noble .

Noble brings a briefcase with him that is apparently filled with sex toys and oils. Gunn steals it and opens it and we get a nice view of what's inside. Tazz claims that he stole Cole's briefcase .



Match itself is... well Noble is a great wrestler and Gunn is athletic so he bumps alright and hits a couple of nice moves lol. DDT from the ropes by Noble looked awesome, but Nidia made sure Gunn's leg was on the ropes, as she doesn't want her boyfriend sleeping with another women. In the end though, Torrie actually ends up costing Gunn the match by mistake, and she has to shag Noble on Smackdown! Totally remember that episode too lol. Crazy shit happens .

Rating: **


APA Invitational

A bar scene is build at one side of the stage, and its time for the APA ot beat the shit out of half the Smackdown roster! And the Easter Bunny. Brian Kendrick standing on the bar and dancing to people's theme music as they enter is awesome. Brother Love! Doink the Clown! Woooo!

Brother Love cuts a pretty awesome promo, then takes out 2 random people with a bar stool . Kendrick gets knocked from the bar through a table. LOL. Sean O'Haire punching the Easter Bunny in the face might be the greatest thing ever.

Match is... insane. People taking crazy arse bumps and drinking beer. Awesome. Ton of fun. APA win obviously . I think I might love this more than anyone else in existence.

Rating: ***


The World's Greatest Tag Team Vs Billy Kidman & Rey Mysterio - Tag Team Championship

Hope this lives up to the hype!

Nope. Lol. It was good, but just way too moves-y for my liking. The stuff with Kidman's back was great and really could have been a turning point in the match, but it just didn't last nearly as long as I would have liked, and it wasn't long before Rey was back in the ring flying about. Felt like they were trying to capture the epicness of the No Mercy 2002 tag, and while they got the fast paced action down, they forgot to really tell a story too lol.

the "BULLSHIT" chant when Hass kicked out of a big double team move from Kidman and Mysterio. Also, HOLY SHIT. Cole calls his fans the Cole Miners! I didn't think he came up with that until his heel turn lol.

Rating: ***1/4


Sable Vs Stephanie McMahon

Well, time for a bad match on the card. No PPV can be perfect .

At least both women are hot. And wearing somewhat revealing outfits. Commentary is like on giant innuendo too. Makes it interesting to watch lol.

Part of me certainly liked this one .

In all seriousness though, its... not actually that bad. They have plenty of HATE~! and throw some stiff shots (slaps, forearms, elbows etc) no doubt to make it look as good as possible considering Steph isn't a wrestler and Sable is about 4 years past her prime. Gotta love Stephanie trying to get Sable's tits out. Again. She already did it on Smackdown, might as well do it now. Referee gives Sable is shirt to cover her up, while A-Train motherfucking RUNS OVER Stephanie to help Sable win. Holy fuck at that lol. Stephanie took it like a MAN. A very hot man. With tits. And a Vagina. A women, one might say.

Rating: **


The Undertaker Vs John Cena

Build up video for this match is great. Remember this feud pretty well from back in the day lol. Wasn't a fan of Cena even back then, but he definitely didn't suck in this feud. And from what I remember, he most certainly didn't suck in the match either.

This is all about respect, and Undertaker is determined to beat it out of Cena, and fuck does he do a great job early on. Some wicked shots from the Dead Man. Referee tries to get Undertaker away from Cena at some point and ends up jumping across the ring to get away from a very pissed off Phenom lol. Always love that spot in Undertaker matches .

Match actually looks like its going to be a total SQUASH, with Undertaker dominating Cena entirely and then landing a HUGE chokeslam, and going for the pin. Looked like it was over, but Undertaker wanted to punish Cena more so he picks him back up, which ends up being a HUGE mistake from the veteran! Cena then takes his time to expose one of the turnbuckles, and it looks like he took TOO long, as Undertaker gets back up and begins to destroy Cena again, but the turnbuckle comes into play and Cena gains control. Undertaker's ribs are the target of Cena's assault, and he does a great job working them over. Undertaker is bleeding internally, and keeps fighting back in desperation. He knows he needs to get back into this match and end it quickly, something he had the chance to do earlier but didn't follow up on.

Undertaker takes one hell of a beating, including a shot to the ribs with a chain and an F-U! He barely kicks out, and Cena gets majorly pissed off, and makes a mistake by mounting 'Taker in the corner, and gets a Last Ride! Match is over.

Great, great stuff. Another great example of Undertaker putting someone over without actually losing. Plus, he does get beat by Cena on Smackdown in a re-match not long after this. But yeah, Undertaker gets the win on PPV while Cena looks better than he ever has. Everyone is a winner here.

Rating: ***3/4


Mr McMahon Vs Zack Gowen

What do Mr McMahon and Andy have in common? They've both taken pleasure in screwing a cripple!

Match is what it is. Mr McMahon beating up a one legged guy. One legged guy makes comeback and Vince bumps to the best of his ability. Didn't do much for me. Worst match on the show, and the only actual bad match on the show too. Vince's blade job is pretty much THE only thing that is good lol.

Rating: 1/4*


Brock Lesnar Vs Kurt Angle Vs The Big Show - WWE Championship

Classic "Big Show Vs The World" start to this one, which is always a ton of fun. Even against two of the companies top stars at the time, Show looked like he could legit destroy them both and take the title if he wanted to, and that makes the match a whole lot more interesting. Show Vs Angle and Lesnar was a nice way to set up Lesnar and Angle working together to take out the bigger man (and they begin with weapon shots and then hit a double chokeslam!), and then move from there to both of them turning on each other because they both want the title.

Pretty sure Tazz calls Big Show a hooker at some point during this match lol.

Lesnar hits a RUNNING POWERBOMB ON BIG SHOW. Ok, it was out of the corner, but still, he had the guy on his shoulders in a powerbomb position and RAN WITH HIM. Lesnar was a fucking beast. Big Show is hurt from that move, and then is finally taken out of the match for good with an Angle Slam through a table. Angle Vs Lesnar time! They became friends after the WM match, but this is for the title, and friendship don't mean SHIT.

Oh hey, Big Show does come back into this match lol. He breaks up Angle Vs Lesnar and double chokeslams both of them! Lesnar and Angle are up about 20 seconds later exchanging punches with each other. LOL. Angle hits the Angle Slam on Show, then on Lesnar and picks up the win. Didn't enjoy this as much as I did on last watch tbh, but its still a good triple threat match, and its a great piece of the Angle/Lesnar story which leads into SummerSlam superbly.

Rating: ***1/2


Overall, a fantastic PPV. Only ONE bad match on the card. Everything else is at the very least fun. Opener is MOTN, with Undertaker/Cena coming in close.


Edit: I think the cage match was on Eddie's 3 disc set. No idea about that Rey set as I don't own it. Maybe it isn't on any and I just watched it on my Eddie comp .
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I should look it up right now. All I know is I need to own both sets regardless. I got two Hogan sets, but only one from Mysterio & ZERO from Eddie. Weird how this works out.

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I've never gone out of my way to get the Rey set, match listings isn't nearly as as his first 3 disc set. Got both Eddie sets of course, and then a massive custom comp . Got the Hogan Unreleased set... because someone actually gave me that as payment for FOUR COPIED DISCS which was a good deal lol.
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Vengeance 03 is such an awesome PPV. Opener and main event are classics. Taker/Cena is great too.

Another year I need to go back and watch is Smackdown 03 (and skip Raw). I was not as enthusiastic about matches as I've become recently so I should go back and watch it in case I've missed out on some great matches.
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