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Old 01-26-2013, 12:55 AM   #15511 (permalink)
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Well when Randy was good he wasn't overrated in the ring. If some want to spout off nowadays about his ring work being on par or at a solid level, then I'd have to claim overrated fits. Most seem to realize he's taken a dip in that department. Even the fans who still enjoy him to this day.

All the matches vs workers that I'd say were or are inferior all came up as only solid/good at best. Well, I'd have to relive the Smackdown matches vs Angle to comment on that front. See, for me, at that time I'd certainly take Orton over Angle. Orton was rocking and rolling with his cocky Legend Killer work and Angle was already in his blah intense phase so he was already falling down in my books. Their PPV matches were both decent and solid. TV could be a whole different ballpark.
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Old 01-26-2013, 01:04 AM   #15512 (permalink)
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Just looked it up, and HIS MAJESTY DAVE MELTZER gave Jake-Rude NEGATIVE TWO STARS. FUCK YOU DAVE. Worst rating for a match that I've ever seen since I saw somebody give the BORK-SHOW stretcher match one star.

When it comes to Orton, I feel that when he wants to turn it on he's one of the best. Definitely agree with RAWK that Orton is a superior worker to the vastly overrated Edge, but then again I never really adored any Orton-Edge matches outside of their 2004 pair on Vengeance-RAW. Still say Orton's peak was from the beginning of the Undertaker feud all the way up to his wellness violation and subsequent "ANKLE BREAKING" at the hands of Kurt Angle. Don't think he has reached that elite level of work since he came back TBH.
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His work during the latter half of 2007 on PPV was pretty good. I liked the Summerslam match vs Cena, vs Trips at No Mercy gave us two matches that were worthwhile, one being GREAT, vs Shawn both times were , and he finished it off with a quality match vs Jericho. Rolling into 2008 it continued with his bouts vs Jeff Hardy, vs Cena, & the fun triple threat for WrestleMania. After that it dropped. He did get injured again so there is that.

Can't say I argue with where you consider his peak to be. I'd group in his 2004 work too, tbhayley. Or early Legend Killer stuff in general. Don't know how he was better then than more recent years.
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This obviously has nothing to do with it, but ever since he got that DAMN VOICES SONG and started taking longer than the fucking Undertaker to walk to the ring I knew something was up... His character was shit and it was spilling into his work. Sometimes I can't fucking stand Orton from his return from injury in late 2008-2011.

Just watched Hogan-Andre III. I'd say it's better than their Wrestlemania III bout, but that's not exactly saying much at all STILL CAN'T GET OVER HOW UNDERRATED THAT RUDE-ROBERTS MATCH IS. FUCK YOU MELTZER.
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When it comes to Orton, I feel that when he wants to turn it on he's one of the best. Definitely agree with RAWK that Orton is a superior worker to the vastly overrated Edge, but then again I never really adored any Orton-Edge matches outside of their 2004 pair on Vengeance-RAW. Still say Orton's peak was from the beginning of the Undertaker feud all the way up to his wellness violation and subsequent "ANKLE BREAKING" at the hands of Kurt Angle. Don't think he has reached that elite level of work since he came back TBH.
I'd agree with that assessment of Orton's peak if we're talking character. However, if we're talking about him as a worker, I'd gotta give it to 2011. Orton was on fire, and whether his opponent was better than him or not, he was producing quality matches week in week out, and of course had his awesome series with Christian.

By the way, don't really know how you can call Edge overrated. I rarely if ever see Edge as an in-ring worker getting praised at all, to the point where I think he's underrated if anything. Granted, I wouldn't call him a great worker, but I don't believe he's garbage because I truly believe anyone that sucked wouldn't have had as many quality matches as he's had, even with the likes of Taker, Cena, Flair, HBK, Ziggler, RVD, Orton, Angle and more. He's a solid worker, and I think the general thought on his in-ring work is that, if not lower, which makes me scratch my head when you call him overrated... unless you're referring to how WWE portrays him, which I suppose I should remind you it's WWE and best to take what they say with a grain of salt most of the time.

But you didn't like the Edge/Orton Raw match after Backlash in 07?
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Never seen all of WrestleMania IV as much as it pains me to admit it. (fake fan? never seen every WrestleMania yet) Part of me had to know Meltzer's thoughts on Roberts/Rude were off. Unless it was the most boring 15 minute match ever, I couldn't see it being too bad. The talent involved is too good. Of course an off night could have happened, but I knew it was something I'd have to see to believe.
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Here's the thing about Roberts/Rude : The crowd hates it because of all the headlocks/chinlocks and shit like that, but that was the point to the match all along, even the commentators beat it to death.

You're not missing much ; These early Manias are fucking horrible anyways This fucking PPV has SIXTEEN fucking matches on it. SIXTEEN.

That Edge/Orton match is okay I suppose but I vastly prefer their 2004 series. In terms of Edge not being called a great in ring worker, it just kind of irks me when I hear stupid people saying that he's a superior worker to the likes of Punk and Bryan, fuck that noise.
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This obviously has nothing to do with it, but ever since he got that DAMN VOICES SONG and started taking longer than the fucking Undertaker to walk to the ring I knew something was up...
If Taker and Orton ever have a match together again, I have a feeling the entrances will be longer than the match. Hell, all things considered, this is how it'd end up:

5 minute video package/hyping
15 minutes for Orton
20 minutes for Taker
25 minutes for match
15 minutes of Taker celebrating so Orton can make it to the back
20 minutes for Taker to make his way to the back

And THAT'S how you can kill over half a PPV, or almost half a Wrestlemania.

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That Edge/Orton match is okay I suppose but I vastly prefer their 2004 series. In terms of Edge not being called a great in ring worker, it just kind of irks me when I hear stupid people saying that he's a superior worker to the likes of Punk and Bryan, fuck that noise.
Who says that? Give me their names and addresses, and as an Edge-mark, I'll go straighten those morons out.

Might also just be Punk haters/people who prefer everybody that was in the AE to everybody in today's WWE in every department.
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So I've got EVERY nitro from 1995-1997 now with the first month of 1998 too. I'm onto the PPV's now, downloading all of 1996 atm.
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