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I don't get all this Taker/Punk for the title talk. So is Punk going to end the streak? I can't see Taker winning the title only to vacate it immediately.
If Punk/Taker did happen I'm sure they could figure something out. Maybe 'Taker wins title, retires/vacates it which leads to some sort of tournament? Just a thought.
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Rock/Brock, Taker/Cena, and Punk/Ryback is what they could do. I know the last match doesn't sound too appealing for some but WWE could cash in on Ryback's overness by having him win the Rumble match and finally defeating Punk at the big show. We get two astronomically huge mega matches at the top and a new main event star winning the WWE Title and end Punk's over 500 day reign at that point.

We're most likely getting Rock/Cena II and Punk/Taker, though. I like the latter but could do without Rock/Cena again.
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Oh man if Punk does win I could see him surpassing his shit eating grin at the end of the NOC match with Cena .

Also, I know it will never happen but we can all agree that a scenario where the 29th man is eliminated moments before #30 comes out, thus meaning he would only have to enter the ring to win would rule the universe right?
Would have to be a double elimination or some shit otherwise there would still be one guy in the ring.

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Unless Punk/Taker happens...

Idk what Cena would do, though.
Cena's winning the Rumble.

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I don't get all this Taker/Punk for the title talk. So is Punk going to end the streak? I can't see Taker winning the title only to vacate it immediately.
Exactly. Doesn't make sense.
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Doing a little bit of research right now, I looked at every single WWE Championship reign of the modern era that lasted atleast 150 days and I've come to a conclusion ; Punk's reign can be argued as being the best of the modern era (84-now) for sure. I'd throw out all the numbers and what I did to get them (CAL SCALE like method, except I divided to negate the fact that Punk has held the belt for so long) , but nobody wants to know about that so I'll basically just say this ; when it comes to strictly his PPV defenses during his reign (not even counting his Henry defenses), he clocks in at about an average of *** 3/4 per match. That's fucking astounding. The fact that he's done it for over 400 FUCKING DAYS has to mean something too.

HOWEVER.... One could also argue Shawn Michaels' run in 1996 as being the greatest reign of all time as well, with notable title defenses against Diesel, Vader, Mankind, and SID, the showstopper also averages about *** 3/4 a defense, actually a few decimal spots higher than Punk. The only reason I'd put Punk ahead is that he's had superior TV defenses than HBK while at the same time holding the belt almost twice as long. If I had the ironman match ranked higher, he'd undoubtedly be averaging four stars a PPV match, hich is crazy even though he only has 7 PPV title defenses to Punk's 8.

John Cena's 2006-2007 reign can be debated as being one of the best WWE Championship reigns in history as well, although his matches don't add up as well as the former two champions I just mentioned. He came in at a little below *** 1/2 per title defense, a pretty damn awesome number but below HBK and Punk obviously. It should be noted that during this period Cena wrestled a ton of great matches that weren't title matches (NWO TAG, RAW TAG, RAW vs HBK), but I'm only factoring in title defenses here (which is why I never included any of the other Punk-Bryan matches in my rankings). The number would probably be alot higher if it wasn't for that shit-tastic match that he had with Orton at Unforgiven, DAMN was that bad.

Then you have Austin in 2001. HOLY FUCKING SHIT AUSTIN'S REIGN IN 2001. I don't even need to explain this, six PPV title defenses and FIVE of them were ****+. He cranks out the highest number, averaging four stars per title match (and that's not even including the Benoit defenses, holy shit). The only match in his reign I didn't fucking LOVE was the Canadian triple threat at KOTR which was actually pretty shitty for all three guys believe it or not... I feel it gets higher ratings then it should due to who's in the match but that's my opinion. In terms of the straight up best title reign when it comes to averages, Austin is KING.

To take it back even further, we go back to Bret Hart's reign starting at Wrestlemania X and ending at Survivor Series 94. Since we don't have the same PPV format we have today back then, we have to look at ALL of Bret's title defenses that were televised (believe or not there were only seven) ;

vs Yokozuna (Wrestlemania) : ** 1/2
vs Diesel (King of the Ring) : **** 1/4
vs BOB BACKLUND (Superstars) : ****
vs Owen Hart (Summerslam) : *** 3/4
vs Owen Hart (Action Zone) : ****
vs The 1-2-3 Kid (RAW) : **** 1/2
vs BOB BACKLUND (Survivor Series) : **** 1/4

AGAIN, damn near four stars on this one, and would have a higher rating than Austin's if it hadn't have been for that damn YOKOZUNA match. Would have been interesting to see how a guy like Bret would have performed with the belt in a modern PPV type deal, with defenses on PPV every single month, no doubt in my mind that the man would have set the world on fire with his workrate for sure.

So in the end, if I'm going strictly by averages, here are your top 5 WWE Championship Reigns of all time (ones that qualify anyways, reigns like Triple H's in 2000 were pretty short and featured only a handful of defenses, no doubt if Hunter kept the belt longer he'd be here, same with guys like Undertaker) :

1. Stone Cold Steve Austin (Wrestlemania X-7 - Unforgiven 2001)
2. Bret Hart (Wrestlemania X - Survivor Series 1994)
3. Shawn Michaels (Wrestlemania XII - Survivor Series 1996)
4. CM Punk (Survivor Series 2011 - Present)

5. John Cena (Unforgiven 2006 - No Mercy 2007)

I put John Cena away from the top four because he didn't average out nearly as well as the other four, but he definitely deserves a mention. If I took the numbers away and included longevity, TV defenses, etc into the equation, here would be how I would rank the top five ;

1. CM Punk (Survivor Series 2011 - Present)
2. Steve Austin (Wrestlemania X-7 - Unforgiven 2001)
3. Bret Hart (Wrestlemania X - Survivor Series 1994)
4. Shawn Michaels (Wrestlemania XII - Survivor Series 1996)
5. John Cena (Unforgiven 2006 - No Mercy 2007)

Personally I think you can make a case for any of these guys for sure, and the only knock on Austin is that he didn't have NEARLY enough defenses and longevity, but as of right now I think it's a draw between CM Punk and Steve Austin for the greatest WWE championship reign of all time. If Punk hangs onto that belt at the Rumble and manages to get a four star match out of Rock in the process, he has the potential to wrestle a few more matches to break this draw and solidify himself as having the greatest WWE Championship reign in history.

Thoughts on what (in your mind, obviously) is the greatest WWE Championship reign in history ?
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We're most likely getting Rock/Cena II and Punk/Taker, though. I like the latter but could do without Rock/Cena again.
Where does that leave Lesnar? If he's not facing Rock, Punk or Taker the only realistic options are Orton or Triple H.
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Ugh at the thought of Brock/Triple H again. I liked their SummerSlam match but I was done with that program when Trips tapped out. I would rather see Brock/Cena II than that rematch.
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1. Stone Cold Steve Austin (Wrestlemania X-7 - Unforgiven 2001)
2. Bret Hart (Wrestlemania X - Survivor Series 1994)
3. Shawn Michaels (Wrestlemania XII - Survivor Series 1996)
4. CM Punk (Survivor Series 2011 - Present)

5. John Cena (Unforgiven 2006 - No Mercy 2007)

I put John Cena away from the top four because he didn't average out nearly as well as the other four, but he definitely deserves a mention. If I took the numbers away and included longevity, TV defenses, etc into the equation, here would be how I would rank the top five ;

1. CM Punk (Survivor Series 2011 - Present)
2. Steve Austin (Wrestlemania X-7 - Unforgiven 2001)
3. Bret Hart (Wrestlemania X - Survivor Series 1994)
4. Shawn Michaels (Wrestlemania XII - Survivor Series 1996)
5. John Cena (Unforgiven 2006 - No Mercy 2007)

Personally I think you can make a case for any of these guys for sure, and the only knock on Austin is that he didn't have NEARLY enough defenses and longevity, but as of right now I think it's a draw between CM Punk and Steve Austin for the greatest WWE championship reign of all time. If Punk hangs onto that belt at the Rumble and manages to get a four star match out of Rock in the process, he has the potential to wrestle a few more matches to break this draw and solidify himself as having the greatest WWE Championship reign in history.

Thoughts on what (in your mind, obviously) is the greatest WWE Championship reign in history ?
Great post! Really interesting, I've got to say I absolutely love Austin's 2001 reign so that would probably be #1 for me. As you said, so many great matches! I actually think your top 5 is pretty spot on. Are there any reigns just below 150 days that you think would have been up there had they surpassed 150?
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^agreed. Don't really want to see Brock/Hunter II either.

KingOfKings, I'd imagine HHH's '08 run would rank high for you. The Kozlov match probably pulls it down a lot, otherwise it was great.
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Triple H isn't going to Wrestle at Wrestlemania with DAT HAIR unfortunately. It's stupid for anybody to think that Brock would sign without knowing who his Mania opponent was going to be as well. "Okay Brock so here's what we're gonna do... You're gonna job to Cena, than beat Triple H, and then Triple H is going over you at Wrestlemania" .... Brock's not a moron and he wants to make as much money as possible, meaning he wants the main event.

Punk's character REVOLVES around the WWE Championship, can't see him out of the picture. Taker's gonna work because they basically came out and told us that at the Slammys. Rock obviously knew who his Mania opponent was going to be a year in advance as well, just like BROCK. Rock has hinted numerous times that him and his opponent this year are going to break records, surely he doesn't think it's gonna be Cena again ?

Sticking to my prediction of Rock-Punk-Cena with Rock coming in with the belt, Cena winning the Rumble, and Punk winning a chamber match or something, with Taker being dragged into this whole Triple H-Lesnar feud for closure.

EDIT : TBH , I'm not a fan of Triple H's reign in 2008 from a work standpoint. As a MARK I fucking loved it because it's Triple H beating everybody, put he only wrestled one near CLASSIC during that reign and that was his match with Jeff @ No Mercy. He had some other great matches too like the Cyber Sunday match against Jeff and the cage against Orton was okay, but that triple threat is HORRENDOUS, and the Khali-Orton-Scramble-Backlash matches are all okay-good. Doing the math it's more or less ** 3/4 stars per match, which is pretty mediocre for a main event title reign as far as I'm concerned. ACCEPTABLE, but mediocre. I think an average of three stars is where a reign starts to be.. well... good (for lack of a better term).
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May God have mercy on our souls if the WM 29 card is Rock/Cena II, HHH/Lesnar II and Punk/Taker III. Don't get me wrong, I enjoyed Rock/Cena I, and I'm one of the very, very few people "activists" for HHH/Lesnar, but I do not want a rematch between either of those pairings at all, especially at WrestleMania. I mean, c'mon, this year the card could have so much potential out here - with Rock, Lesnar, Taker, Punk, Cena, HHH, Ryback, Sheamus, Orton, Kane, Bryan, Ziggler, ADR, The Shield, maybe even Jericho working the card, it could all be espectacular. It all depends on what goes down at this Sunday's RR event. Looking too forward for Punk/Rock.
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