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Old 01-24-2013, 12:27 AM   #15261 (permalink)
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That WCW list is pretty crummy, but could have been so much worse. I really don't understand having any Flair/Stings on there while leaving off two of the Flair/Steamboat trio. If you told me a year ago WWE would make a top 25 WCW matches list, I wouldn't have been totally convinced Rude/Steamboat would be on there, so there's at least that.
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Seeing that list has me tempted to make a top 25 worst matches in WCW. We all know how much fun that would be.

8/26/10 Superstars now. Regal vs Goldust, Gatecrashers vs Dudebusters, & McIntyre vs Masters. Oh yes. This is the turnaround I needed.
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Just had a want to go back and revisit the Hardy/Edge 05 steel cage match from Unforgiven.

My god what a match, Matt Hardy's honestly one of the most underrated workers WWE had in the past decade. Hardy's babyface performance is everything and then some, there's this amazing moment where Hardy's having his head/neck area destroyed by Edge and Hardy throws these wild punches in Edge's general vicinity and that totally plays up the head injury angle. Hardy's main story here is that he will not let edge survive this match, no matter what. Hardy's going to get his revenge on Edge and Lita and nothing will stop him.

Edge also plays a great cowardly/sadistic heel. Edge's control segment is a thing of beauty, targeting Hardy's head/neck area and there's this brutal powerbomb into the cage by edge and a turnbuckle powerbomb by edge. Might be Edge's finest performance in a match, Lita plays the desperate heel lover well, doing anything and everything to save Edge.

The finish is wonderful as well, plays up the Hardy doesn't care about his pain he just wants to see Edge suffer. Absolutely awesome ****1/2
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It's brilliant.

Both Hardys deserve praise. Not just Jeff or not just Matt. I think they're both pretty great (yeah, great is what I meant to say) at what they deliver with.

Jeff is more one dimensional, but in one way is that a negative. He simply has that charisma to appeal to fans and hot damn do they ever get behind him. He's capable of some great face performances. His work really made a match like vs Triple H from No Mercy 2008 for me. He's been giving quite a bit of strong outings in TNA over the last few months too. He showed us that once he has a compelling heel persona, it does actually up his mic work. b/c normally he's very bad behind the stick. All that charisma and no way to channel it outwardly has always been baffling. However during his heel turn in TNA during 2010, the promos he delivered were good. Like really good actually. I don't know what clicked for him exactly, only that it was something he needed and I was happy to see it. Too bad he got sidetracked with his demons again to ruin the payoff with it, only Jeff did manage to show us another side to his work that we fans didn't think he had in him.

Matt is more well rounded in all aspects. Great seller, pretty on point with his ring work, and has a more general knowledge of what needs to go into a match than I think Jeff does. Matt's mind is probably his biggest aide. He knows what to do most of the time. He had his abysmal career and life path, but pardon that he's really quite good. Back on the right track currently too so that's worth a in my book. Glad he was able to bounce back. Shouldn't be a surprise. It seems to be a trait for the Hardys no matter what demons get in their path.
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I prefer Matt when it comes to in-ring work (plenty of great non-gimmick performances), but I do enjoy Jeff as well.

Speaking of the Hardys, which match do you believe it's better: Triangle Ladder Match or TLC II?
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TLC II did have it's share of recycled spots from TLC I, but it still managed to have an x factor for me, as well as other elements to make it standout. So, TLC II wins here.

I like the Triangle Ladder Match, but it doesn't compare to the original TLC matches for me.
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@ Mighty Krang. Finlay is super. Matches with Benoit and Regal are his peak in terms of nasty and ungodly violence, but he's got a style that can work well with anyone and he's an underrated babyface whether he's portraying a more stereotypical comedy/sportsmanlike British babyface or a tough as nails babyface trying to overcome a vicious heel. The Callihan matches in 2011 and 2012 were the peak of his indy comeback but he had a number of gems in Britain and America/Europe. There's one match vs Dick Togo that will haunt me with it not turning up.

Agreed with Yeah1993 vis a vis the WCW list. Rude/Steamboat is far too low but at least its on there. Stuff like Mysterio/Ultimo feels like your typical crowd pleasing match even if it doesn't belong anywhere near that list. War Games 1992 being included is a nice touch, no Regal/Finlay, R n R Express/Midnight Express, Southern Boys/Midnight Express. The 2/22/92 8 man Worldwide tag was never going to be a match that would turn up on an 'official list', same with the 5/24/92 6 man featuring Steamboat/Rhodes/Koloff vs Arn/Eaton/Larry Z.

Here's my top 25 WCW matches from a poll I took part in last year:

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1.Ricky Steamboat vs Rick Rude, US Title, 30 Minute Ironman Match, Beach Blast 6/20/1992
2.Ric Flair vs Ricky Steamboat, NWA Heavyweight Championship, Clash Of The Champions VI 4/2/1989
3.Ric Flair vs Ricky Steamboat, Landover House Show, 3/18/1989
4.Sting/Koloff/Rhodes/Steamboat/Windham vs Anderson/Eaton/Zbyszko/Austin/Rude, WAR GAMES XXIII, Wrestlewar 5/17/1992
5.Ricky Steamboat/Dustin Rhodes vs Arn Anderson/Larry Zbyszko, Clash Of The Champions XVII 11/19/1991
6.Lord Steven Regal vs Fit Finlay, Uncensored 3/24/1996
7.Eddie Guerrero vs Rey Mysterio, Cruiserweight Championship vs Mask, Halloween Havoc 10/26/1997
8.Rock n Roll Express vs Midnight Express w/Jim Cornette, Wrestlewar 2/25/1990
9.Southern Boys vs Midnight Express w/Jim Cornette, Great American Bash 7/7/1990
10.Ric Flair vs Hulk Hogan, WCW Heavyweight Championship, Career vs Career, Steel Cage Match, Halloween Havoc 10/24/1994

11.Ric Flair vs Ricky Steamboat, NWA Heavyweight Championship, Chi Town Rumble 2/20/1989
12.Jake Roberts vs Dustin Rhodes, 9/26/1992
13.Steamboat/Rhodes/Koloff vs Anderson/Zbyszko/Eaton, Saturday Night 5/23/1992
14.Sting vs Vader, Leather Strap Match, Superbrawl III 2/12/1993
15.Ric Flair vs Terry Funk, WCW Heavyweight Championship, Great American Bash 7/23/1989
16.Ric Flair vs Vader, WCW Heavyweight Championship vs Career, Starrcade 12/27/1993
17.Lord Steven Regal vs Sting, Great American Bash 6/16/1996
18.Flair/Windham/Sid Vicious/Zbyszko vs Sting/Pillman/The Steiners, WAR GAMES XVIII, Wrestlewar 2/24/1991
19. Arn Anderson vs Dustin Rhodes, 1/4/1992
20.Ricky Steamboat & Shane Douglas vs Brian Pillman & Steve Austin, Starrcade 12/28/1992

21.Dustin Rhodes & Barry Windham vs Steve Austin & Larry Zbyszko, Superbrawl 2/29/1992
22.Rick Rude/Arn Anderson/Bobby Eaton/Larry Zbyszko vs Ricky Steamboat/Sting/Barry Windham/Dustin Rhodes, 2/22/1992
23.Sting vs Cactus Jack, Falls Count Anywhere, Beach Blast 6/20/1992
24.Hollywood Blondes vs Marcus Bagwell & 2 Cold Scorpio, World Wide 5/8/1993
25.Ric Flair vs Ricky Steamboat, WCW Heavyweight Championship, Saturday Night 5/14/1994


Said it before when discussing the Hardys, Jeff has the Morton/Steamboat connection and charisma that drives the fans into a frenzy and generates an atmosphere/reaction almost every time, but Matt is definitely closer to Morton/Steamboat in terms of mechanical babyface work and selling/timing/structuring his matches and comebacks.
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My top 25 WCW Matches:

1. Ric Flair Vs Ricky Steamboat - Clash of the Champions VI 02/04/1989
2. Ricky Steamboat Vs Vader - Saturday Night 16/10/1993
3. Eddie Guerrero Vs Rey Mysterio - Halloween Havoc 26/10/1997
4. Belfast Bruiser Vs Steven Regal - Uncensored 24/03/1996
5. Ricky Steamboat Vs Steven Regal - Fall Brawl 19/09/1993
6. Ricky Steamboat Vs Rick Rude - Beach Blast 20/06/1992
7. War Games - WrestleWar 17/05/1992
8. Ric Flair Vs Ricky Steamboat - Wrestle War 07/05/1989
9. Vader Vs Ric Flair – Starrcade 27/12/1993
10. Ric Flair Vs Ricky Steamboat - Philadelphia 18/03/1989
11. Arn Anderson, Bobby Eaton, Larry Zbyszko & Rick Rude Vs Sting, Barry Windham, Dustin Rhodes & Ricky Steamboat - Saturday Night 22/02/1992
12. Sting Vs Vader - Slamboree 22/05/1994
13. Ric Flair Vs Arn Anderson - Fall Brawl 17/09/1995
14. Ric Flair Vs Ricky Steamboat - Chi Town Rumble 20/02/1989
15. Ric Flair Vs Ricky Steamboat - Landover 18/03/1989
16. Hulk Hogan Vs Ric Flair - Halloween Havoc 23/10/1995
17. Southern Boys Vs Midnight Express - Great American Bash 07/07/1990
18. Ric Flair Vs Terry Funk - Clash of the Champions IX 15/11/1989
19. Brian Pillman & Barry Windham Vs Ricky Steamboat & Shane Douglas - Starrcade 28/12/1992
20. Eddie Guerrero Vs Chris Jericho - Fall Brawl 14/09/1997
21. Ric Flair Vs Terry Funk - Great American Bash 23/07/1989
22. Cactus Jack Vs Sting - Beach Blast 20/06/1992
23. Eddie Guerrero Vs Chris Benoit - Nitro 16/10/1995
24. Hollywood Blonds Vs 2 Cold Scorpio & Marcus Bagwell - Worldwide 08/05/1993
25. Vader Vs Sting - Fall Brawl 18/09/1994
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Cal has pretty much the same list as I do, except I'd have Goldberg/DDP Halloween Havoc and the Flair/Harley Steel Cage there as well.

What are your top 10 Monday Night Wars matches?

Here are mine, in no particular order:
Bret/Austin - WrestleMania 13
Eddie/Rey - Halloween Havoc 1997
Taker/HBK - In Your House: Badd Blood
HHH/Foley - Royal Rumble 2000
Finlay/Regal - Uncensored 1996
Team Austin/Hart Foundation - In Your House: Canadian Stampede
Goldberg/DDP - Halloween Havoc 1998
Rock/HHH - SummerSlam 1998
Bret/HBK - WrestleMania 12
Bret/Austin - Survivor Series 1996
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Flair/Harley wasn't WCW .
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