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Old 04-23-2012, 07:19 AM   #1481 (permalink)
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Benoit/Lesnar on SD! is one of Lesnar best matches if I remember correctly too.
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Old 04-23-2012, 07:21 AM   #1482 (permalink)
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Yeah, their Dec 03 match was pretty great. I'd still put a bunch of Lesnar matches over it though. Off the top of my head:

Vs Angle WM, SS, SD Iron Man
Vs Undertaker Unforgiven, HIAC
Vs Eddie NWO

7 is a bunch, right? Might be forgetting something.
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I have never watched any Ironman match ..i tried (6 years ago) to watch HBK/Bret but i found my self sleeping after 10 minutes lol.
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I have never watched any Ironman match ..i tried (6 years ago) to watch HBK/Bret but i found my self sleeping after 10 minutes lol.
Well you should give the good ones a go lol. Bret/HBK certainly isn't worth your time .

Rude/Steamboat from 92 is only a 30 minute Iron Man match. Not too long, and totally fucking awesome.
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Considering a few pages back everyone was talking about WM21 I decided to give it a watch.
Here are my ratings:
Eddie Guerrero vs Rey Mysterio ***3/4
Kane vs Edge vs Christian w/ Tyson Tomko vs Shelton Benjamin vs Chris Jericho vs Chris Benoit for the Money in the Bank ****
Randy Orton vs Undertaker ***3/4
Shawn Michaels vs Kurt Angle ****1/4
Big Show vs Akebono Sumo Match **1/4
John Cena vs JBL for the WWE Championship ***1/2
Batista vs Triple H w/ Ric Flair for the World Heavyweight Championship ***3/4

Bear in mind I'm quite harsh when it comes to rating matches. Overall the PPV was okay the undercard was good but the two world titles matches really wern't up to standard considering it was meant to be the big break for both Cena and Batista. I did enjoy the segments with JBL and Triple H as wlel as the Hogan and Austin/Piper Bits.
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Old 04-23-2012, 07:57 AM   #1486 (permalink)
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Just rewatched Angle/Lesnar from SS 03, wouldn't say it was ***** but it was really really close, the second half of the match was definitely ***** but I found the first half to be just lacking a tiny bit, the crowd seemed to take a bit to get into it but by the end were great. Lesnar's selling of the Ankle Lock was great and the F5 on one leg was a great spot, McMahon also really added to the ending.
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On the subject of Angle/Lesnar SS and my ***** rating, here's a review I did for it a couple of years ago during the top 100 WWF/E matches poll. Wanted to see if it still held up as ***** or not. Totally did (obviously lol), but this is why:

Kurt Angle Vs Brock Lesnar - SummerSlam 2003

Ok, before I start, I just wanna talk about the whole McMahon/Lesnar partnership that took place during the build up to this match. I hear people complaining about it ALL the time, but here is how I look at it:

When Lesnar beat Angle for the belt at WrestleMania, he ONLY just beat Angle in a very hard fought match... and Angle basically had a broken neck. So when Angle comes back all healthy and shit, he is able to win back the title straight away in a triple threat match by beating both Lesnar AND Big Show together. So Lesnar had to be smart about this. Yes, he is a monster, but Angle might actually be better than him. He barely beat him when he was near crippled, and he was unable to stop him, even with Big Show in the match, when he came back healthy. So why not get the old "insurance policy"? Look how great it worked out for The Rock at Survivor Series 98. Or HHH at WrestleMania 2000. Or Steve Austin at WrestleMania 17. Lesnar teaming up with Vince was PERFECT imo for this feud, especially as it switched the roles between the two, allowing Lesnar to be a heel which is where he was arguably at his best.

Now I have that out of the way... the match!

They tie up to begin, and Lesnar runs Angle into the corner. So next time they lock up, Angle takes Lesnar down to the mat, showing Lesnar that he may have the power advantage, but on the mat Angle is unparalleled. They go back and forth between Angle going to the mat and Lesnar throwing Angle to the mat as they try to prove to each other who is the better man. Lesnar throws Angle to the mat a couple of times in a row, and begins to get cocky, so the next time they tie up Angle goes behind Lesnar and pushes HIM into the corner! Lesnar gets pissed and runs into an arm drag, which causes him to go to the outside and battle with the steel steps to calm himself down . Similar to my thoughts on Austin/Undertaker from Backlash 02, I just fucking LOVE how the match starts. Both men show how they plan to wrestle the match and try to get inside each others heads to gain the psychological advantage.

Angle manages to get the better of Lesnar overall in the opening few minutes of this match, but Lesnar's transition spot into his control segment is pretty cool; he press slams Angle to the outside.

Lesnar smartly goes for a cover after most of the moves he hits, even if he knows they won't keep Angle down, as he knows it will take something out of Angle every time. Angle tries to come back into the match, and at one point counters another press slam (ain't gonna fool Angle again) into a pin, but Lesnar gets out and goes right back to work on the champ, this time with a sleeper (and uses a body scissors too, which is important to note).

Everything Lesnar does now seems to be targeting the mid section of Angle. A good way to wear down Angle, and also helps build to the F-5 as the opponent lands face and stomach first on the mat.

Kurt continues to fight back again and again, with right hands or pin attempts. Adds a little more validation to my theory on Lesnar teaming with Vince I guess lol, as it shows that it will take a hell of a lot to put Angle away and take the title from him.

Angle's comeback is just something else I really like about the match, going back to the "not gonna fool Angle again" thing I mentioned earlier. Lesnar runs into Angle in the corner, again working over the body, but when he tries to do it again, Angle is able to move and Lesnar goes shoulder first into the corner. From here, Angle targets the shoulder, and even gets a couple of German Suplexes in which is a unique, yet totally viable way of further injuring the shoulder!

Lesnar fights back too, and we end up going into the finishing stretch of the match, with Angle countering an F-5 and hitting an Angle Slam, then going for the Ankle Lock. Ref bump! Counter to a potential spinebuster attempt (which Lesnar hit Angle with earlier... again Angle doesn't get fooled twice!) into another Ankle Lock!

More complaints here no doubt from some people, as Angle never built to the Angle Lock, and I can understand that. However, Angle does have it locked in for a pretty lengthy period here while the ref is down, so that alone does the damage that will allow Angle to eventually win with it.

McMahon shows up to help Lesnar while the ref is down too, and more LOVE from me when Lesnar hits Angle with an F-5... and sells the ankle! He literally hits it with ONE LEG! Awesome, just awesome.

Damn, you know, I never picked up on the story for this match with Angle never "getting fooled twice" as I have been mentioning over and over, until this watch. But its there, and it keeps coming back again and again, and plays into the finish too. Lesnar had only hit one F-5 so far in the match, and Angle kicked out. McMahon tells him to go for it again, but Angle counters (!!!) and the Ankle Lock is slapped on again, and Lesnar has no choice but to tap out due to the pain it was already in.

So is this match still ***** for me? FUCK YES. In fact, I liked it more. I picked up on a cool story for the match that I never saw before, and it just made everything even better. I <3 this match.

Rating: *****
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Well you should give the good ones a go lol. Bret/HBK certainly isn't worth your time .

Rude/Steamboat from 92 is only a 30 minute Iron Man match. Not too long, and totally fucking awesome.
Brilliant recommendation. One of, if not my favourite matches of all time.
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On the subject of Angle/Lesnar SS and my ***** rating, here's a review I did for it a couple of years ago during the top 100 WWF/E matches poll. Wanted to see if it still held up as ***** or not. Totally did (obviously lol), but this is why:

Kurt Angle Vs Brock Lesnar - SummerSlam 2003

Ok, before I start, I just wanna talk about the whole McMahon/Lesnar partnership that took place during the build up to this match. I hear people complaining about it ALL the time, but here is how I look at it:

When Lesnar beat Angle for the belt at WrestleMania, he ONLY just beat Angle in a very hard fought match... and Angle basically had a broken neck. So when Angle comes back all healthy and shit, he is able to win back the title straight away in a triple threat match by beating both Lesnar AND Big Show together. So Lesnar had to be smart about this. Yes, he is a monster, but Angle might actually be better than him. He barely beat him when he was near crippled, and he was unable to stop him, even with Big Show in the match, when he came back healthy. So why not get the old "insurance policy"? Look how great it worked out for The Rock at Survivor Series 98. Or HHH at WrestleMania 2000. Or Steve Austin at WrestleMania 17. Lesnar teaming up with Vince was PERFECT imo for this feud, especially as it switched the roles between the two, allowing Lesnar to be a heel which is where he was arguably at his best.
Never thought of it like this before, really makes sense

Enjoyed your review, like I said for me it was really really close to ***** but I just felt the crowd took a bit to get into it even though the opening stuff was really good
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imo the best wrestling match wwe has ever produced was always the kurt angle/benoit matches for techincal wrestling but my fav of all time has to be wrestlemania x-7 rock vs austin 2 all the hype to be one of the best matches in wwe history and they lived up to it
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