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Old 01-19-2013, 11:55 AM   #14741 (permalink)
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Be excited to see your thoughts on Superstars 2010. Masters was on a tear having great matches with Ziggler, Chavo, Mcintyre and numerous other guys. The Goldust/Regal series culminating in a great 13 minute match was an absolute treat and you even get a very good Mysterio/Gallows match as part of the Mysterio/Punk feud.

I personally love the Masters/Ziggler match built entirely around the Masterlock and Sleeper and how both men need to apply their submission to get the win. They build and work to both men's greatest weapon remarkably well for 2010 and its just evidence of how a simple and well worked match will always deliver. Masters comes close to out-bumping Ziggler as well off of memory.
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The Rock vs Triple H steel cage match on Raw is War: ***1/2

The Rock & Sock Connection vs The Unholy Alliance on Raw is War: **1/4

The Rock vs Kane No Holds Barred match on Smackdown: **3/4

The Rock vs Triple H for the WWF title at Backlash: ****

The Rock vs Shane McMahon in a steel cage on Raw is War: **1/2

I'm surprised the New Age Outlaws vs Rock & Sock Connection didn't make it on the DVD. That was better than the Rock & Sock Connection vs the Unholy Alliance by far. Next up, finishing up the other half of disc 2 of The Rock DVD.
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There's a Memphis DVD comp that was independently made by a wrestling fan who has a strong reputation for making territory/wrestler comps to cover their body of work. I haven't got his email address but I think a few in this thread may be able to help there, alternatively Big Z and Seabs on here both own copies of the DVD which they sell to anyone who wants to buy.

As for Memphis itself, the territory was more of a brawl orientated company. You're not going to get great matwork or classic NWA wrestling, but rather a more violent match on average albeit with great selling, characters and a tremendous crowd for the big matches. Lawler is the MVP of the territory and is in largely the best matches from its peak. Bill Dundee is his greatest rival and they have a great on and off feud between '83-88 with 2 of the best matches in US wrestling history in the form of the 6/6/83 Loser Leaves Town match as well as the 12/30/85 Loser Leaves Town match.

Dutch Mantell has a stellar series with Lawler in '82, Terry Funk makes for a great rival in the NO DQ and Empty Arena matches in '81, and you can't forget about the Lawler vs Austin Idol/Tommy Rich feud in '87 which culminates in the Hair vs Hair Cage Match with one of the greatest finishes in history.

I'll post the best 30 matches as voted for by people at DVDVR, who watched the Memphis compilation and produced ballots chroniciling the best 150 matches.

1. Jerry Lawler vs. Bill Dundee (Loser Leaves Town) 6/6/83
2. Jerry Lawler vs. Bill Dundee (No DQ, Loser Leaves Town) 12/30/85
3. Jerry Lawler vs. Terry Funk (No DQ) 3/23/81
4. Jerry Lawler vs. Dutch Mantell (Barbed Wire Match) 3/29/82
5. Jerry Lawler vs. Dutch Mantell (No DQ) 3/22/82
6. Jerry Lawler vs. Austin Idol (Hair vs. Hair, Steel Cage Match) 4/27/87
7. Jerry Lawler vs. Bill Dundee (No DQ, Loser Leaves Town) 7/14/86
8. Koko Ware vs. Ric Flair 11/18/85
9. Jerry Lawler vs. Bam Bam Bigelow (Texas Death) 9/7/86
10. Jerry Lawler vs. Randy Savage (Loser Leaves Town) 6/3/85
11. Jerry Lawler vs. Terry Funk (Empty Arena) 4/6/81
12. Jerry Lawler & Dutch Mantel vs. Bill Dundee & Buddy Landel 3/10/86
13. Jerry Lawler vs. Nick Bockwinkel (No DQ) 11/8/82
14. Tommy Rich & Eddie Gilbert vs. Pretty Young Things (Falls Count Anywhere) 5/18/84
15. Jerry Lawler vs. Ric Flair 8/14/82
16. Jerry Lawler vs. Nick Bockwinkel 10/18/82
17. Jerry Lawler vs. Dutch Mantell (Loser Leaves Town) 3/27/82
18. Jerry Lawler & Bam Bam Bigelow vs. Austin Idol & Tommy Rich (Texas Death Match) 3/23/87
19. Jerry Lawler & Bam Bam Bigelow vs. Austin Idol & Tommy Rich (Double Jeopardy Match) 3/16/87
20. Fabulous Ones vs. The Moondogs (Stretcher Match) 5/2/83
21. Jerry Lawler vs. Curt Hennig (Title vs. Retirement) 5/9/88
22. Bobby Eaton & Sweet Brown Sugar vs. Dutch Mantell & King Cobra 7/19/82
23. Jerry Lawler vs. Nick Bockwinkel 10/25/82
24. Jerry Lawler vs. Rick Martel (Nashville) 10/12/85
25. Ricky Morton & Eddie Gilbert vs. Masa Fuchi & Atsushi Onita (Tupelo Concession Stand Brawl) 9/4/81
26. Bill Dundee vs. Sweet Brown Sugar (2/3 falls, Scaffold Match) 6/21/82
27. Ronnie Garvin vs. Randy Savage (Cage Match) ICW 1982/83
28. Jerry Lawler & Randy Savage vs. King Kong Bundy & Rick Rude 9/10/84
29. Fabulous Ones vs. The Sheepherders (Cage Match) 8/6/85
30. Jerry Lawler vs. Crusher Blackwell 5/4/81


Alternatively, I made a Lawler Appreciation thread a few months ago and posted reviews to some of his finest matches, most of which are in that top 30 list above:

http://www.wrestlingforum.com/11717994-post42.html
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I'm really interested in checking out some of Masters' work in his second run. Shame those idiots cut him off because he had improved so much. Things are so ass-backwards in WWE. They pushed him when he was green and bland but when he had improved and showed that he does have talent, they make him work strictly on Superstars (or a jobber whenever he made a TV appearance) and then release him.

Coincidentally, I'm right now on the Raw episode before No Way Out 06 and he has a tournament match with RVD.

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Indeed. It's what I'm going for right now. The download will speed up I'm sure if I wasn't watching stuff on Youtube right now. So, that aspect I don't mind. Appreciate you using your brain b/c it now prompted me to do what you have done prior. I can now finally finish up the ECW 2009 project I started 2 months ago. I got all the way July and then it just died. It's BACK ON.
Just curious but when did I ever make that suggestion? Was it in the past couple of pages or a while back in a similar discussion? I've used this technique for months but I don't recall talking about it out here... or maybe I did!
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Be excited to see your thoughts on Superstars 2010. Masters was on a tear having great matches with Ziggler, Chavo, Mcintyre and numerous other guys. The Goldust/Regal series culminating in a great 13 minute match was an absolute treat and you even get a very good Mysterio/Gallows match as part of the Mysterio/Punk feud.

I personally love the Masters/Ziggler match built entirely around the Masterlock and Sleeper and how both men need to apply their submission to get the win. They build and work to both men's greatest weapon remarkably well for 2010 and its just evidence of how a simple and well worked match will always deliver. Masters comes close to out-bumping Ziggler as well off of memory.
I'm trying not to skip directly to the Masters/McIntyre match right now b/c I recall it being pretty superb. Masters as been on both of these first two editions and it has been fun seeing him work so far. I'm a fan. Carried Carlito to a passable TV match and had a fun bout with an otherwise vanilla worker in Ted Dibiase Jr. That was due to how much of the Masterlock was treated as a threat and with Ted being credible at the time, the fans bought into the action & got behind Masters to pull out the upset.

I'm on 1/14 atm and the main event upcoming is REGAL vs CHRISTIAN. So stay tuned to hear some potential

I'm already marking as it is thanks to the Finlay vs Knox match from 1/7. Not very long, but choice for what they gave us. I'm probably going to do a top 10 or 20 list when I cram all of these. 20 seems more appropriate since I KNOW I can come up with 20 matches from these shows that I dig. The final Superstars of 2010 has 3 that legit might make my list. (Usos vs Tatsu/Young, REGAL vs Smith, & Masters vs Reks)

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It was earlier today when you said you download them piece by piece. Or maybe you vaguely said it like that and I picked up on it quick. It was kind of subtle, but I took heed of it.
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Regal vs Smith was exceptional for the time given iirc. Smith gets his leg worked over after some WOS chain wrestling and there's some great selling from him in the close of the match, such as selling it during a northern lights bridge.
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I've watched that match more times than I care to count. I love it. Smith had some really really bossy singles matches while in WWE. vs Finlay, Regal, & Christian. Love them all.

Oh and speaking of LOVE - Regal vs Christian from 1/14 was superb. The counters. MY GOODNESS THE COUNTERS. I was giddy. Easy front-runner for best of the year. I'm only 2 shows deep. So there could be some contenders to follow ***1/2 for it. Think they have one more on ECW before ECW folded. Wonder which trumps the other. Those two men are magicians.
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Oh, I've also seen Team DX/Rated RKO and that's a definite one star for me. TERRIBLE.


I love that match. Sometimes it's just fun to watch the heels get decimated. I mean it certainly isn't a classic but it's hilarious. Shawn Michaels eliminating Rick Knox and asking his teammates, "Who was that? Was he in the match?" was awesome. Also Edge and Randy Orton straight up running away when they realized they were left in the match all alone was also hilarious. The match is just a ton of fun to watch. That's probably my favorite from the otherwise lackluster card.

On a side note DX and Rated RKO were great together. The match they had at New Year's Revolution 07 is a match that deserves to get talked about a lot more. In fact that whole show was really entertaining. The Cena/Umaga match as the perfect set up to their awesome Last Man Standing match and I liked the Nitro/Hardy cage match (pretty sure about this). I mean normally I hate Hardy but it was a gimmick match where he's a lot better.
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I love that match. Sometimes it's just fun to watch the heels get decimated. I mean it certainly isn't a classic but it's hilarious. Shawn Michaels eliminating Rick Knox and asking his teammates, "Who was that? Was he in the match?" was awesome. Also Edge and Randy Orton straight up running away when they realized they were left in the match all alone was also hilarious. The match is just a ton of fun to watch. That's probably my favorite from the otherwise lackluster card.

On a side note DX and Rated RKO were great together. The match they had at New Year's Revolution 07 is a match that deserves to get talked about a lot more. In fact that whole show was really entertaining. The Cena/Umaga match as the perfect set up to their awesome Last Man Standing match and I liked the Nitro/Hardy cage match (pretty sure about this). I mean normally I hate Hardy but it was a gimmick match where he's a lot better.
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I love that match. Sometimes it's just fun to watch the heels get decimated. I mean it certainly isn't a classic but it's hilarious. Shawn Michaels eliminating Rick Knox and asking his teammates, "Who was that? Was he in the match?" was awesome. Also Edge and Randy Orton straight up running away when they realized they were left in the match all alone was also hilarious. The match is just a ton of fun to watch. That's probably my favorite from the otherwise lackluster card.

On a side note DX and Rated RKO were great together. The match they had at New Year's Revolution 07 is a match that deserves to get talked about a lot more. In fact that whole show was really entertaining. The Cena/Umaga match as the perfect set up to their awesome Last Man Standing match and I liked the Nitro/Hardy cage match (pretty sure about this). I mean normally I hate Hardy but it was a gimmick match where he's a lot better.
Oh, it's fun to watch no doubt. It purely isn't a "good" match by any stretch of the imagination. The rest of the card being bad doesn't help things. Oh, and I chuckled at the part I bolded. I made that mistake when watching Mystery Vortex last week, haha.

at NYR '07. It's a nice wrestling PPV. Collectively all things came together well. I'm a fan. I'll pimp it for what it is.

YES @ getting a Vance Archer match on the 1/21 edition of Superstars. Main event is Jericho vs Kane to boot. That one could be right up my alley too.
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Thanks a ton. Going to grab a snack and take a look at all this stuff. I'm going to have a busy day in front of me.
Worth mentioning there's a frequency of cuts/edits in Memphis matches, so a few matches will occasionally jump ahead and skip maybe 2-5 mins of action, in case it happens and you think its just a bad link. Couldn't find all of the top 30 matches, but here's what I came up with:

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Lawler vs Dundee 6/6/83 : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GrR6kq3GpeQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lcx2y4M7Orw

Lawler vs Dundee 12/30/85 : http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xi8...2#.UPrf8Gfz6_s

Lawler vs Funk NO DQ 3/23/81 : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qlPf0eAPm20

Lawler vs Mantell Barbed Wire 3/29/82 : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ripptYIO-6w
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xEUsz3kcZjw

Lawler vs Mantell NO DQ 3/22/82 : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SN-z4t56w3M

Lawler vs Austin Idol Hair vs Hair Cage Match 4/27/87 : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PP-fIT0n5xk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b-a0wmuRLz0

Koko Ware vs Ric Flair 11/18/85 : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fk0J38o6mkM

Lawler vs Bigelow Texas Death Match 9/7/86 : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lnaGaZSbTno
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l1P5fRcgVfA

Lawler vs Savage Loser Leaves Town 6/3/85 : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZJWzuCvcaDk

Lawler vs Terry Funk Empty Arena Match 4/6/81 : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-B9dPlev9Lc

Lawler/Mantell vs Dundee/Landel 3/10/86 : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mf7_l_C2cxQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MYRzKSydQU0

Lawler vs Flair 8/14/82 : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CDIneaiyP1s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M_GYGcGQbEU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8psgP2yvLD4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PzkDzOfqDfc

Lawler vs Mantell Loser Leaves Town 3/27/82 : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wNDE7MLvdzw

Fabulous Ones vs Moondogs Stretcher Match 5/2/83 : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wY2AZ_mXVOA

Lawler vs Hennig (Title vs Career) 5/9/88 : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zjp8f4xNp9Q

Lawler vs Martel 10/12/85 : http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xkn...2#.UPrsgWfz6_s

Morton/Gilbert vs Fuchi/Onita Tupelo Concession Stand Brawl 9/4/81 : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ILpoJzDg8c

Dundee vs Sugar 2/3 Falls Scaffold Match 6/21/82 : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ILpoJzDg8c
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MReMBnT4cEo

Garvin vs Savage Cage Match 82/83 : http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xvc...2#.UPruLWfz6_s

Lawler vs Crusher Blackwell 5/4/81 : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DiG3hGM1J6k
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