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Just watched "The Rise and Fall of ECW" for a bout the third time. Damn I miss this company.

It really was the right place at the right time though. Music was getting that bit edgy/grungy type and WWE were at that stage where they really were catering for kids. WCW wasn't really there yet and well ECW was catering to a new society. If ECW was around today it would be absolutely shat on, just due to society. It's the same with the Attitude Era, there is no way in absolute hell it would draw the numbers it did in the 90s
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Empty Arena Match for the WWF Championship: The Rock (c) vs Mankind
★ ★ ★ ★ 1/2

I haven't seen this match in ages but came across my Mick Foley "Hard Knocks & Cheap Pops" DVD and decided to pop it in...very enjoyable set but this match in particular is what I wanted to see.

Man this joint is gold.

Vince doing commentary, Rock doing in-match commentary both were awesome. Its so interesting because you can hear everything they say clearly. To that point Vince goes on a tangent about what WWF is and I don't want to take away from the match but its an important thing to me he said: "your watching action adventure, that's what the WWF is- soap opera. Its Road Runner, elements on 'One Life To Live', its like Hollywood and Broadway and all points in between". Man that's an interesting description of your product. As for Rock's commentary ("you look like 10lbs of monkey crap in a 5lb bag", singing about Jack Daniels) is fuckin' hilarious. The talking alone is level entertainment.

The match was essentially a falls count anywhere contest with no crowd. Mankind took a pretty good beating and gave the Rock a lot of material to work with to get himself over. Mankind attacking a Rock with a giant bag of popcorn pretty much the highlight of his offense, but this match and other Mankind matches are about how much punishment he can take and continue to fight.

The finish was very creative, so was the camera work during the sequence. Of course looking back on it, it looks incredibly staged and that takes away from it a bit but I think it was the best way for Rock to lose and keep credibility. It was also a moment of Mankind outsmarting Rock instead of always being the one outsmarted.

Very entertaining match from a perspective of bringing together a lot of different elements such as comedy, the illusion of improvisation, intensity and good stuntwork (and selling) by Mankind.

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The one shot zooming in on Rocks face killed the finish for me. Foley says the same thing in his book. Otherwise one of the funniest matches ever.
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Rock/Mankind Empty Arena was a hell of a ride, had tons of fun watching it, especially considering the circumstances.

I'm throwing star ratings for one of my personal favourite shows, No Mercy 2006:
Gregory Helms vs. Matt Hardy - ***3/4
Londrick vs. KC James & Idol Stevens (D-Sandow)- ***1/2
MVP/Jobber - DUD
Taker/Kennedy - **3/4
Rey/Chavo - ***1/4
Benoit/Regal - ****1/4 (might be overrating the match that 1st really got me into wrestling)
Fatal 4-Way - ***1/4

Looked shitty on paper but given how awesome SD was in 06, that meant nothing. For fans of stiff and bloody pure wrestling wars, Benoit/Regal is a must-watch, really underrated I see.

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Edge vs Matt Hardy - Summerslam '05 - ***
Edge vs Matt Hardy - Raw 8/28/05 (Street Fight) - ***1/2
Edge vs Matt Hardy - Unforgiven (Steel Cage) - ****1/2
Edge vs Matt Hardy - Raw 10/3 (Ladder) - ***3/4

Despite being very short, the brutality of the SS matches makes it awesome. The street fight is a really good encounter that escalates the violence and gives Matt a moral victory even though it goes N/C. The cage match is everything a cage match should be. Really good ladder match as well. Doesn't live up to the cage one but I felt that the spots worked and the ending was great.

Remember when midcard feuds got gimmick matches?

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That cage match was fantastic. Didn't like the ladder match, though.
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Remember when midcard feuds got gimmick matches?
Yes I do. Remember when midcard feuds had storylines and build? I mean c'mon even Crash Holly 13 years ago had character progression and a running angle from week to week.


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That's a good point, Brye. When's the last time a hot midcard feud had a legit blowoff gimmick match that wasn't on an all-gimmick PPV and actually meant something? For that matter, when's the last time there was a hot midcard feud.

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Benoit/Regal - ****1/4 (might be overrating the match
You aren't. It's amazing.

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Bryan/Miz was a really well done midcard feud, stemming from Miz mentoring Bryan on NXT, to Bryan getting a one night contract to face him on Raw, to returning at Summerslam ahead of him as the final member of Team WWE and then the US Title match at NOC. Ziggler/Ryder also had a pretty passable long running feud combining Ryder's youtube show with things like Jackman guest hosting Raw and getting involved by punching Dolph, culminating in the TLC victory for Ryder.

Those are the only ones that really stick out. In a way I appreciate them trying to make the bigger angles/stories exclusive to the uppercard/main event, as a mistake TNA habitually made was having so many 'shocking' angles across the card that it was nye on impossible to get something like a Nexus invasion over because the fans had been pre-conditioned to seeing an array of violent angles that it didn't feel special. The problem with current WWE is that the feuds are just lazily booked with no clea progression, with the gimmick PPVs not helping because a feud which hasn't been properly built will be pushed into a gimmick match because of the PPV theme. It really doesn't deviate beyond single/tag team matches, the babyface/heel commentating on the opponent's match or a staredown/post match interference.

Benoit/Regal No Mercy is fantastic, and just marginally better than the 7/14/05 Velocity encounter between them. The NJPW 1995 encounter is also an overlooked bout of theirs, though the youtube link has long been taken down sadly. Benoit/Finlay Judgement Day 2006 is still imo the best match out of the Benoit/Finlay/Regal series of matches, with Finlay/Regal Uncensored arguably 2nd and then either Benoit/Finlay 5/5/06 SD or Benoit/Regal No Mercy 2006 in 3rd.

Hardy/Edge Unforgiven is by far their best match and as stated simply how a Cage match should be worked, especially when the feud in question is a blood feud as opposed to a title feud. I still love the Summerslam match, merely because it felt like a territory angle in that everyone would have expected a fairly lengthy encounter and instead got something completely unexpected which both put over the hate and danger in the angle as well as making Edge look more dangerous and Matt's subsequent redemption all the more heroic. Too often with WWE you can almost call how a match is going to be layed out and executed, whereas in this instance it was something barely anyone would have predicted and felt shocking and brave on their part.
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