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Old 01-17-2013, 12:15 AM   #14521 (permalink)
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WWE WrestleMania 25


1) Money in the Bank Ladder Match
CM Punk vs Kane vs Christian vs Dave Finlay vs Mark Henry vs Shelton Benjamin vs MVP vs Kofi Kingston ~ ***1/2


2) 25 Divas Battle Royal ~ DUD


3) Handicap Elimination Match
Chris Jericho vs Ricky Steamboat, Roddy Piper, & Jimmy Snuka ~ **1/2


4) Extreme Rules Match
Jeff Hardy vs Matt Hardy ~ **3/4


5) WWE Intercontinental Championship
John Bradshaw Layfield(c) vs Rey Mysterio ~ N/R


6) The Undertaker vs Shawn Michaels ~ *****


7) World Heavyweight Championship
Edge(c) vs John Cena vs Big Show ~ ***1/4


8) WWE Championship
Triple H(c) vs Randy Orton ~ 1/2*



A WM that gets a bad rap and I think it is due to how poor the main event it. Honestly, it's a fine enough show. Undertaker vs Michaels happens and that's all that matters now. Haha. Punk winning in a fun ladder match, Jericho & Steamboat ruling, underrated triple threat, & a solid extreme rules match round out the card. If only the main event didn't suck. Then this show would get some more favorable reviews.

Watching TLC 2009 atm. Christian vs Shelton ladder match is quite bad. I didn't think Christian had a bad match during 2009.
I agree with this. On paper, this WrestleMania looked awesome and despite the main event, I thought it was a solid show with Taker-HBK stealing the show as expected but for me, the main event took a lot from the PPV. Triple H vs Randy Orton should have at least had a stipulation added to it like a Falls Count Anywhere, Last Man Standing match, etc. Booking it as a standard match between the two was a big mistake that didn't fit into the direction of the feud at all. The whole build-up was about Triple H and Randy Orton wanting to tear each other apart with Randy Orton RKO'ing Stephanie McMahon and Triple H breaking into Randy Orton's home and beating the living crap out of him but with that type of build-up, we get a standard match between the two? Just didn't make sense at all. It's a shame too because this had to be the most promising main event match on paper but it just didn't turn out that way.
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Old 01-17-2013, 12:18 AM   #14522 (permalink)
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After that glorious build it had too. Tis a shame the way the match turned out. It wasn't about wrestling there. It was 100% personal. I should scope out their No DQ Match from RAW in 2009 and see how I feel about it.
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I talked about the WM25 card a couple months ago and I believe it would have been better if HHH/Jeff WWE Title (with Jeff finally winning the big one over HHH not fucking Edge) and Cena/Orton World Title (Cena defending the company against the psychotic Orton) were the main event matches. I also would have done Jericho/Mysterio w/Steamboat in Rey's corner for the IC Title (Steamboat would still get some spots in). However, I got to see Taker/Michaels live so I really didn't give a shit at the time because that's all I needed to see but looking back the card could have been much better.
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Old 01-17-2013, 12:27 AM   #14524 (permalink)
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Weren't there rumours about Cena wrestling Hulk Hogan at WrestleMania 25?
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Old 01-17-2013, 12:30 AM   #14525 (permalink)
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Hell in a Cell 2012

Randy Orton vs Alberto Del Rio : *** 1

Team Hell No vs Team Rhodes Scholars : ** ½ .5

The Miz vs Kofi Kingston : ** ¾ .5

Antonio Cesaro vs Justin Gabriel : ** ½ .5

Rey Mysterio/Sin Cara vs The Primetime Players : * 1/2 -.5

Sheamus vs The Big Show : **** 3.5

Eve vs Kaitlyn vs Layla : ¼ * -1

CM Punk vs Ryback (Hell in a Cell) : *** 1

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Well, this held up ALOT better on a second watch for me. The opener was one of those random Orton matches that we've seen on practically every single PPV since his feud with Henry ended, a damn good match with some great work by Orton. That's not to take anything away from Del Rio though, but this was clearly Orton's match and it showed with the six hundred bajillion sequences that were headed by Orton. Your typical consistent face Orton match from 2011-2012. Great fucking opener here and a fantastic effort by both men, liked the finish even if it was fucked up a little.

The Two tags were really MEH for me. HELL NO vs Rhodes Scholars was pretty good, even though I felt it lacked any transition from second gear to third gear. If the match could have succesfully gotten out of the babyfaces in peril stage and into the comeback stage I would have enjoyed this a hell of alot more. Pretty well worked match though, all things considered due to DANIELSON's epic selling for Rhodes Scholars. THAT and the fact that Sandow's offense is BOSS made this a pretty good contest. The PTP vs ReyCara however was a bad, bad match with a bad, bad pace. Seems like at this stage in his career Rey is relying more on OMGMOVEZ more than anything, but the man can still sell better than most. PTP were alright but Sin Cara sucked balls as usual and dragged this a hell of alot down. Needed to be like, 5 minutes shorter to be decent by my standards.

For the Midcard Titles we got another Cesaro showcase with both him and Gabriel looking awesome with one of the nicest looking moves I've seen in a while (OH MY FUCKING GOD DIVING GABRIEL INTO A FUCKING EUROPEAN UPPERCUT FOR THE FUCKING WIN) putting the icing on the cake for a pretty damn awesome match. LOVE to see guys like Gabriel and Ryder getting PPV time against a guy like Cesaro, now if only we could get a Cesaro-Kidd match on PPV Miz-Kofi was GOD compared to what I expected from those two god awful POS workers, but they somehow managed to wrestle a pretty damn good match. I suspect a heavy amount of planning beforehand , as the match actually had some leg work and good psychology with some finish teases in there as well. If only Kofi would bother to fucking SELL better this would have been alot higher in value. MIZ was the better worker in a match... My mind has been fucking blown

The Divas match.... Fuck it. It sucked and felt SOOOO disorganized. This division is so sad.

I already talked about Show Sheamus but DAMN was it a great match, definitely going to be included in my top 10 of the year and perhaps even higher than that. Two big guys moving fast and hitting each other hard with awesome false finishes is enough for a standing ovation from me, so there you go. The other world title match and subsequent main event was a controversial match in Punk/Ryback. Personally, I really enjoyed this match due to essentially being HBK-Taker LITE (as in, negative calories light ) with Ryback taking Taker's role as the unstoppable monster and Punk trying to survive. The extinguisher spot was really well done I thought as well as how they orchestrated the finish. Punk sells for Ryback like no other and in this match he masked Ryback's extreme in-ring limitations as best as he could given the circumstances. One of the more impressive Punk performances of his 400 plus day title reign believe it or not, as Ryback more or less fucking sucks

So yeah, this PPV is GOD compared to Unforgiven 2007, and besides the awful Divas match and drawn out pointless tag, there wasn't a single bad thing on this one. You has small contributions from your midcard (Cesaro-Gabriel, Miz-Kofi), a great opener, a pretty good main event, and an AWESOME fight between Show and Sheamus. Only a few more 2012 shows to rewatch on DVD once I get them in the mail, but thankfully I have TLC and Survivor Series here to watch in PHYSICAL FORM.

Overall Score : 5.5

So yeah, it's higher than recent shows I've watched such as RR 08 and NWO 07, but not quite as good as the likes of Cyber Sunday and Survivor Series 2007. I'm starting to think that on my CAL SCALE , somewhere between 5-7 is where a show starts to become GOOD. Can't wait to get this criteria finished.
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WWE giving Jeff the championship randomly at Armageddon was both a negative and a positive. Positive b/c it was a surprise and it led to a great moment. Negative b/c it happened at the expense of Edge over Triple H and it wasn't exactly the biggest match possible to do it in too. Jeff should have been given a much bigger stage. We all know why by the time Rumble comes around though. The seeds for WrestleMania was well planted before Armageddon.

I have to say, I would have wanted your card too, Clique.
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Weren't there rumours about Cena wrestling Hulk Hogan at WrestleMania 25?
I've heard the Cena/Hogan rumor but I also read about Cena/Batista was supposed to happen before Big Dave got injured. They probably would have continued the feud off of the first encounter at SummerSlam '08. Well they did it the following year in Arizona.
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Yay. Found the Triple H vs Randy Orton No DQ Match from 4/20/09. Gonna give it a go right now. Lets see how it holds up. If anyone cares to watch:

Part One
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x91...rton-1-2_sport

Part Two
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x91...t#.UPeewyfBF8E
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Would watch, but I'm watching one of the two WWE PPVs I haven't seen in 2012 ; Survivor Series. Saw a few matches and wasn't overly impressed but I'm giving it a fair shake this time around Love to see Gabriel, Kidd, etc getting PPV TIME.

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What is this CAL scale you guys have been using lately? From what I've been able to tell, you are giving and taking away points depending on the rating you give it, and anything below ** gets points taken away while anything above, receives points.

A good explanation would be nice though. Seems to be useful for giving a show an overall score. I always have trouble with that as I'm just picking a random number pretty much. Not sure if I'm entirely correct, but either way I'd need an explanation and I may even start using it.
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