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Old 04-21-2012, 08:44 AM   #1431 (permalink)
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You can get some good deals on walmart.com they have just about all of the wwe dvds at good prices.
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vs HBK - Wrestlemania 19
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vs Rey Mysterio - The Bash 2009
vs Rey Mysterio - Extreme Rules 2009
vs HBK - No Mercy 2008
vs Evan Bourne - Fatal 4 Way 2010 & the Raw after that
vs Kane - Armageddon 2000

Elimination Tag - Survivor Series 2001
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I don't live far from you and our walmarts don't have much. Usually the new(er) ones released. I was there a few days ago and they had Rumble 2012, the new Rock set (which I have) and the new Edge set.
Well, these two packs ... there was like 20 of them, but most I already owned ... included combos with a wrestler bio dvd or pay per view, with a Wrestlemania. You could get up to WM 18-26 in a combo pack for 10 bucks. Other nice choices were Shawn Michaels - My Life Journey with Best of Saturday Night Main Event ... and Best of Macho Man & WrestleMania 3.

However, its a WrestleMania endcap promotion, so will be going away. Usually they carry all the new release WWE DVD and a handful of others from time to time.
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WWE WrestleMania 21

Rey Mysterio vs. Eddie Guerrero - ***1/4

Money in the Bank Ladder Match: Chris Jericho vs. Chris Benoit vs. Edge vs. Kane vs. Christian vs. Shelton Benjamin - ****

The Undertaker vs. Randy Orton - ***1/2

Women's Championship: Trish Stratus vs. Christy Hemme - *1/2

Shawn Michaels vs. Kurt Angle - ****

Sumo Match: Big Show vs. Akebono - DUD

WWE Championship: JBL vs. John Cena - **1/4

World Heavyweight Championship: Triple H vs. Batista - ***1/4


I remember the first time I watched this show live back in 2005. I had disliked WWE from the 2004-2005 season (WM XX - WM 21), and wasn't really looking forward to it.

It didn't help that I had gotten the flu and couldn't invite my friends over because I didn't want to get them sick, so I ended up watching WrestleMania 21 by myself.

All my concerns were to put to rest pretty much as soon as the show began.

Guerrero/Mysterio is not their best match and one of the two lesser ones (the other being the cage match), but it's still got some very innovative stuff, feels special, and gets enough time. The mask stuff didn't bother me because I think it was edited a lot on the DVD, but this one of the better recent openers for a WM.

I have a newfound appreciation for MITB. For a ladder match to still be good after 7 years is amazing, considering that they're usually topped by the next one is amazing. On paper, the level of talent is amazing. FOUR Canadian work-horses, Shelton Benjamin, and Kane. The match is nonstop excitement, not a mindless goofy spotfest, everyone shines, and it's genuinely suspensful. Benoit was either legitimately injured, or that's some of the best selling ever. So many classic moments in this one.

UT/Orton is a BLAST. Even more amazing is that apparentely both were injured at the time. Orton looked like a star on the rise, the action was great, and the chokeslam into the RKO was a classic, one of the most suspensful moments in WWE history. UT winning was a great feel good moment. At the time, I really thought Orton might win. This match is so much fun, and the show is three for three.

The segment involving Eugene, Muhammad Hassan, Daivari, and Hulk Hogan is not a classic, but the biggest I ever marked out. I had gotten back into wrestling in late 2003, just as Hogan was leaving, and didn't expect him to return. The segment itself started so well. Eugene was hilarious, and his response to Hassan was classic. Hassan: "Do you know why I'm out here?" Eugene: "You don't like midgets?"

Hogan returning was a great feel good moment to me, awesome to see him at WM twenty years later, and just a great segment, one of my favorites of all time. THIS is how you do a segment on PPV.

Trish/Hemme is awful, yes, but Trish is a great heel nonetheless. The one thing I like about this match is how pretty much pulls the winning kick out of nowhere, as if to say "enough of this shit." She was a little surprised by Hemme at first, but overall the veteran was just too good to beat.

Back in 2005, Shawn Michaels vs. Kurt Angle was THE dream match for me. Angle was my favorite wrestler, HBK was another one of my favorites, and the fact that these two had never had a one-on-one match before was so intriuging, especially given that it had the potential to be a classic.

And to me, back in 2005, it was a classic. Even up until maybe 2008 or so I thought it was a classic, at LEAST ****1/4

But for some reason, I just didn;t LOVE it like I used to. Even when it started, the sight of Michaels and Angle in the ring at the same time didn't give me chills, like so many dream matches still do. I think part of the problem is that, for me, I've seen Angle become less and less important in TNA, and while I realize he was huge in 2005, he's probably the only '95-on HBK WM opponent whose stock has lowered for me. In TNA, he's just another name, his matches are really all the same, and I just don't care for him anymore.

I also think the action hasn't aged terribly well. I still love the 3-act structure: HBK outwrestling Angle because Angle wasn't expecting it, Angle taking control in the middle, and the big table spot leading to the big finish. This is still a very good match, but having felt more emotionally attached to the triple-threat at XX, the INSANE action of the UT match at XXV, this just didn't hit me the same way it used to, which is kind of upsetting.

Still, a very good match, very nicely paced and full of great action, just not the classic it used to be. Anyone else encounter something like that?

The sumo match was a dud, plain and simple.

I didn't care about Piper's Pit back in '05 just because I didn't have the same appreciation for Piper that I do today. By that point in the show, I was pooped. Four great matches and one great segment was almost too much for me. But watching it today, I realize it's a dream segment. The biggest rebel character of the 1980s verbally jousting against the biggest rebel of the 1990s, in a classic segment format in the 2000s. The slaps were classic, the discussion was never boring, and I loved Carlito interrupting. Awesome segment, Piper vs. Austin was another dream "match" here.

JBL/Cena is well, a mixed bag. On one hand, it is historic for being the the first WWE Title win for John Cena, and the official "arrival" of the biggest wrestling star since Stone Cold.

However, the match is incredibly weak. It's not BAD, it's just sooooo mediocre. It could have been the second match on an episode of RAW in October. There is nothing special about it. This match is 11 1/2 minutes long. For 11 minutes, JBL dominates Cena. For 30 seconds, Cena makes a comeback and wins. The comeback is so blatant, so out of nowhere, it's ridiculous. This was the SECOND SuperCena WM, an unfortunate formula began at XX, that just feels anticlimactic.

The lonest reigning WWE champion in years, one of the most hated men in wrestling being, one of the biggest up-and-comers in the business, this match should have been tremendous for being not only the end of JBL's epic, epic reign, but for Cena winning his first WWE Title. This should have had the same feel as HHH/Goldberg at Unforgiven. It doesn't. But historically speaking, it's important. And think about this: imagine how bad it would come off if JBL won?

IMO, HHH/Batista had the greatest buildup for a WM EVER. They spent six months building up Batista's face turn, HHH becoming more and more paranoid, it all unfolded week by week, so carefully, so deliberately, but also logically. They made us want to see it so badly. By the time Batista powerbombed HHH, I just about screamed, not because I was surpised, but because I had wanted to see it for so long.

The match itself does what it needed to. The problem is that less than a year before was one of the greatest WM main events ever. The jump in quality is noticeable. But WWE was moving in a different direction. It gets a little quiet in the middle, but I love HHH trying to match Batista's power, HHH getting busted open and realizing he may have bitten off more than he could chew, the belt shot, and the counter from the pedigree into the bb. The theatricality of Batista countering the pedigree is perfect, too, showing just how strong he is.

The best moment comes after the match, when, uncharacteristically, the face victor gloats. He stands over HHH holding the title as if to say "look who did this this to you...your own guy," and it helped establish more than just another title change, it helped to show that Batista was the new force of the WWE.


All in all, this is one of my favorite WMs ever, up there with X7, XIX, and XXIV. As many critics have pointed out, the show is the opposite of XX in that the undercard is stacked but the world title matches are lacking in work-rate and feel somewhat anticlimactic, unlike WM XX which was crap in the middle, and then capped off with two great title matches.

I prefer this show to XX, though. It's much tighter, more colorful, more entertaining, faster paced, and I agree that it gets a little shaky at the end (the Sumo match, JBL/Cena), but it still ends in historic significance and with a pretty solid main event. I could see why WWE began the formula of only having 8 matches or show per WM. Great show.
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Watched the new documentary earlier today. I think it was a fantastic documentary which covered his whole career. Lot's of interesting information and a nice variety of talking heads. Worth a watch especially for big Edge fans.
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My Mania 21 ratings are a bit different to yours.

Eddie/Rey - ***1/2
MITB - ****1/2
Taker/Orton - ***3/4
Angle/Michaels - ****3/4 (this needs a rewatch as decent people on here keep telling me it's massively flawed)
Cena/JBL - *1/4 (does it even warrant this? Pile of shit)
Trips/Batista - ***

Btw, I watched KOTR 2000 last night, it's not only one of the worst PPV of 2000 but one of the worst PPV I've ever seen.
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WrestleMania 21 is a solid ppv, but the last hour isn't the greatest ... it's like a lot of WCW PPV from the late 90's.

Guerrero vs. Mysterio ***1/4 (the match I saw live at Judgment Day a month later was closer to ****) so this was a slight let down. Blame it on that dumb mask Rey wore.

MITB ****1/2 The best MITB, it seemed they became progressively worse as it went on, mixing in more and more mid carder wrestlers who weren't going to be able to excel as well in this setting ... however, the MITB matches at MITB last year were very good.

Orton vs. Undertaker ***1/2 ... good match, but would be even better if they wrestled today.

Trish vs. Christy * not good, at least the following year we got the very good James - Stratus match

Angle vs. Michaels ****1/2 GREAT match, but not perfect, in part due to the absurdity of the ankle lock. Michaels simply refused to tap for WAY too long. It became ridiculous. Still tremendous IMO.

Sumo Match - DUD ... what a joke

Cena vs. JBL *1/2 Again, I saw them tear the house down in an I Quit Match at Judgment Day (****1/4) this is NOTHING like that.

Triple H vs. Batista **3/4 Decent match, but I remember the crowd not being tremendously loud during it. I don't know if they were burned out, or simply thought the result was too obvious to really get into. They had way better matches later as well, especially at Vengeance in Hell in a Cell.

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Well, these two packs ... there was like 20 of them, but most I already owned ... included combos with a wrestler bio dvd or pay per view, with a Wrestlemania. You could get up to WM 18-26 in a combo pack for 10 bucks. Other nice choices were Shawn Michaels - My Life Journey with Best of Saturday Night Main Event ... and Best of Macho Man & WrestleMania 3.

However, its a WrestleMania endcap promotion, so will be going away. Usually they carry all the new release WWE DVD and a handful of others from time to time.
Wow thats awesome. The Best of SNME is so much fun to watch. I'm in the crowd at two of the matches on that set. Woot woot!
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I bought the Edge set, like the day it came out. Hope to watch that & the new Rock set soon. (Own both, have yet to watch either.)

That said, saw an ad for Edge's during "SD". Told a relative (not a wrestling fan) it kills me the ad mentions the HOF, which I know is not on the DVD.
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WM21 Ratings

Eddie/Rey - ***1/2
MITB - ****1/4
Taker/Orton - ****1/4
Hemme/Stratus- *1/4
Angle/Michaels - ****1/2
Cena/JBL - *
Trips/Batista - **1/4

Best MITB match, best Taker WM match to that point in time and a classic in it's own right, and a classic HBK/Angle MOTN. Cena/JBL was awful and Batista/HHH was a piss poor WM Main Event, though would be a decent enough Raw match. All in all just watch everything except the title matches (including the Women's) and you'd swear this was the best WM of all time match quality wise.
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