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Originally Posted by Arm-Bar1004

I remember on raw in 2011 there was a champion vs champion match between Cena and Christian. Was it any good? I can't seem to find it.

Went 3:16 and ended in a DQ. So it's not worth your time.

Originally Posted by KingOfKings

Relax, it's NOT going to be Rock-Cena II. If anything they'll do a triple threat with either Lesnar or Punk involved for a few reasons, number one being an interview Rock had about a week ago or so claiming that he was "pumped" about his Wrestlemania opponent and he believes that him and his opponent will break records. A rematch with Cena would do less buys than XXVIII , Rock isn't stupid in the slightest. I'm convinced we're getting Lesnar-Rock because it makes so much sense with the whole BOX OFFICE comments, Heyman being involved, Lesnar signing with the WWE in the first place (dude is a straight up money addict and HATES not performing in the absolute main event... He HAD to know who his Mania opponent was going to be before he signed), etc.

The way the stars are aligning, it looks like a ROCK-BROCK Wrestlemania main event. The biggest PPV draw in MMA history Brock Lesnar (four out of UFC's five highest drawing shows were headlined by Lesnar) going up against arguably the biggest PPV draw in WWE history on the biggest show of them all ? Makes TOO much sense. Brock and Rock aren't stupid, and know what's good for business when they signed their deals and agreed to their Mania matches so long in advance like they probably did.

The only problem is... If we get Lesnar/Rock, where the hell does that leave the rest of the card exactly ?

I don't see how that is a certainty one bit. Certain wrestling fans would still plunk down money to see another Rock vs Cena match + whatever might be on the card.

[The Beast Incarnate]

I'm just a hopeful mother fucker for getting a decent Mania match. There's NO way that when Lesnar signed the deal they sat down with him and said "Okay Brock here's how this is going to work, at Summerslam you're going over Triple H, but at Wrestlemania he's going to get a win back over you". Lesnar would never ever agree to that because he knows he wouldn't make as much money off that match as he would being in the MAIN EVENT with Rock. OR TAKER

The only person it makes sense for Triple H to go against is Punk or to referee The Undertaker match, and I don't know how he'd feud with Punk. The tension is fucking KILLING ME to see how this Mania card unfolds. Personally I'd love it if Cena won the Rumble, only for Punk-Rock to main event and Brock cost Rock the title. For that half an hour - forty five minutes the IWC would explode thinking we were getting Rock-Cena II

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Or Triple H doesn't have a match on the card to squash that idea. He doesn't need one after the way he went out vs Taker & then vs Brock.

If Brock will work WM (which has to happen considering the one year deal) he'll probably work vs...shoot idk. Only guy left is Taker if Rock isn't his opponent. I'm tired of speculating. The only thing I think will happen is Rock vs Cena II and the rest I'll just have to react when created.

[Saint Dick]

I'll die a little inside if HHH isn't on the card.

[Yeah1993]

Originally Posted by WOOLCOCK

Greg Valentine vs Roddy Piper, Dog Collar Chain Match, NWA Starrcade (11/24/83)

Nasty, violent encounter here with a great utilisation of the chain throughout the match and some appropriately harrowing spots. Both men bleed a fair bit with Piper blading his ear area to continue the ear injury he suffered in their last encounter and Valentine bleeds badly after a few chain shots to the face. Bunch of really nasty bumps from both men, with Valentine being wrenched back to the mat with considerable force sticking out the most, looked really nasty and Piper pulled no punches in yanking on the chain. Thought both men but especially Piper utilised the chain and its hinderaces rather well, such as tying Valentine up in the corner and leaving him a sitting duck for an attack, using the chain to the ribs to break up a suplex attempt and using the chain to counter out of a late match sleeper. Valentine was as stiff as you'd expect in this situation and layed in a few meaty chain shots. Piper isn't exactly a great babyface seller but he played a fired up face well and threw some great jabs as the match progressed and kept the crowd invested throughout. Finish is a downer though and feels anti-climatic for the work that came before it, but the post match angle is a fine way for Valentine to retain his heat.

Piper/Valentine is such an incredible fight. If it happened in WWE I'd probably call it a top 30 WWE match ever. That miiiiiiight be stretching it because I haven't seen it in years, but thinking about some of the stuff I would have for a top 30 in WWE, Piper/Valentine would probably be fucking with it. Roddy Piper is one of the best "I will actually kill you" wrestlers ever. Like, a lot of wrestlers do 'hate' really well, but when he hates someone you get that feeling that he's absolutely willing to beat them to death and go to jail with a smile on his face knowing that he accomplished his goal of murdering whoever pissed him off. Probably the most charismatic wrestler off all time, as well. Valentine is just your stiff-as-shit ultimate break-your-face badass. Both guys will brawl when the match isn't even a brawl and this was a motherfucking brawl and it's amazing and MILLIONBILLION/10.

[The Beast Incarnate]

Last night I feel asleep watching a Triple H match.

Granted, it was against the POS known as Carlito, but I'm still very disappointed in myself. Making an attempt to watch this fucking PPV one more time, when I thought it couldn't get any more lifeless than Summerslam 2007... :hhh

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All you should watch from Unforgiven is the World Tag Team Championship match and call it a day.

[The Beast Incarnate]

I thought Punk vs Burke was a pretty damn good match, not expecting much from the rest of the card though. Trips-Carlito and the WWE TAG CHAMPIONSHIP were pretty fucking bad matches. Not expecting much from this next Divas match either. My projected score for this show is like...... 1 maybe

I still haven't reviewed enough PPVs with the Cal Scale to determine what's good, what's bad, what's awesome, and what's terrible yet.... But this will probably be the lowest score I give to a show for a very, very long time

Undertaker vs Mark Henry, why must two guys I love so much have to put on such a supposed horrendous main event ? I'm strangely looking forward to it..

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While I haven't seen the event in years, I recall Taker vs Henry being ghastly. Maybe I just can't remember it correctly, but it was nothing special whatsoever. Much like the rest of the event. The show is so bad that most credit the Beth vs Candice match as one of the better matches only b/c it wasn't a DUD like everyone expected

[The Beast Incarnate]

It's actually not that bad, as Beth looks pretty good when she's dominating and CANDACE sells for DA GLAMAZON pretty fucking good. It's not GOOD or anything, but it's definitely not bad as King switches up his commentary to seem concerned about Candae, making it pretty fucking interesting to listen to. We're currently on a streak of three matches in a row less than two snowflakes though, which is fucking inexcusable on a PPV..

Oh GOOD. I get a KHALI match now.