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Old 01-15-2013, 07:54 PM   #14301 (permalink)
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@ShowStopper - Exactly. It's not Dolph losing that was really the problem. It's the fashion of how it was done. I honestly think they're doing this on purpose. I really, really can't think they believe what they're doing right now is working. Even with the scenario I played out it's on the baffling side. For whatever reason the booking of making Dolph weak atm has to be legit & not by pure happenstance of the company wanting Cena to overcome yet again.

@Ownage - I'll agree with that. But realistically that should have spiraled into the heel turn scenario that has been thrown out about 100x since last year. If only we got what we wanted. *sigh*
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Old 01-15-2013, 07:57 PM   #14302 (permalink)
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Exactly. It's not Dolph losing that was really the problem. It's the fashion of how it was done. I honestly think they're doing this on purpose. I really, really can't think they believe what they're doing right now is working. Even with the scenario I played out it's on the baffling side. For whatever reason the booking of making Dolph weak atm has to be legit & not by pure happenstance of the company wanting Cena to overcome yet again.
I hope you're right but I can't see any positives in making Dolph look weak. And it's not like Cena needs to regain credibility or anything like that. He's been cemented as the top guy in the WWE for a long time now and the fans will buy into whatever program they put him in.
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I'm just trying to grasp at what the WWE is doing right now. If the scenario lacks logic then that's the sad fact of it. b/c I'm almost at a loss, quite frankly.
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Greg Valentine vs Roddy Piper, Dog Collar Chain Match, NWA Starrcade (11/24/83)

Nasty, violent encounter here with a great utilisation of the chain throughout the match and some appropriately harrowing spots. Both men bleed a fair bit with Piper blading his ear area to continue the ear injury he suffered in their last encounter and Valentine bleeds badly after a few chain shots to the face. Bunch of really nasty bumps from both men, with Valentine being wrenched back to the mat with considerable force sticking out the most, looked really nasty and Piper pulled no punches in yanking on the chain. Thought both men but especially Piper utilised the chain and its hinderaces rather well, such as tying Valentine up in the corner and leaving him a sitting duck for an attack, using the chain to the ribs to break up a suplex attempt and using the chain to counter out of a late match sleeper. Valentine was as stiff as you'd expect in this situation and layed in a few meaty chain shots. Piper isn't exactly a great babyface seller but he played a fired up face well and threw some great jabs as the match progressed and kept the crowd invested throughout. Finish is a downer though and feels anti-climatic for the work that came before it, but the post match angle is a fine way for Valentine to retain his heat.


Jim Duggan vs Buzz Sawyer, Mid South (11/11/85)

Oh man, this was beautiful and what I consider to embody pro wrestling. Just a total bloodbath of a brawl that feels like an old barfight in a western. Its like Charles Bronson meets Henry Fonda and they won't stop until there's no more blood to be spilt. Sawyer is a fucking psycho with some of the bumps he fearlessly takes into the guardrail, the speed is frightening let alone his willingness to do a few unprotected. He's also a slimy sleaze who looks like the most scummiest piece of trailer trash to enter Mid South and has this loathesome attribute that makes his beating so transcendent to watch. Duggan proves why its a crying shame people only associate him with a 2x4 and a catchphrase when you see what a surly charismatic and frightening machine he was in his prime. He's great screaming at the ref to 'get out of my fucking face' and he manages to channel the balance between elaborate performance theatrics beautifully whilst punching Sawyer square in the jaw the next. Loved how reckless, gritty, nasty and unco-operative the whole fight looked. Everything from Sawyer attemtping a rash shoot takedown, to gouging Duggan's eyes, to raking the back at any chance he got, it just came off how an authentic brawl should: violent, uncontainable and genuine. Sawyer biting the flesh of Duggan and spitting blood made for a great visual and the Mid South grainy footage added a ton of charm and filthiness to the entire match. Stick this in a bar in the south with an unlikeable drunk fuck in Sawyer and the town idol in Duggan and you basically have the perfect setting.

Post match angle is incredible and really completes the match as Sawyer gets intentionally counted out as if to say 'fuck this beating, I'll come back another day' only for his pride and spirit to force him back to the ring to cheapshot Duggan and start a pull apart brawl. Loved how this continued into the back with Sawyer making a frantic bid to jump Duggan whilst barely being able to lift his feet off the ground. Captured the hate and disdain for the others' existence perfectly and Duggan again cussing like a Scotsman whilst being pulled away really got over the angle. Sawyer screaming Duggan's name until he collapses with blood pouring down his face and his body looking spent and broken was the perfect closing visual. Masterpiece of a pro wrestling match/angle and a crying shame we won't get anything close to this ever again.
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It's the Hogan booking all over again. I love John-boy but fuck me. I've seen Zack Ryder vs Undertaker that left Ryder looking better than Dolph against Cena for crying out loud.

EDIT ~ not really Kenny. It's decent at best pardon the crap booking. unless you just want to see every DOLPH match from 2013.
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Hard to believe once upon a time Piper was a less than wild babyface on the latter career of his territory days. Felt so unnatural when compared to his general work, especially as the most hated guy in the world of wrestling at one time. That being said, I adore the Dog Collar match. The brutal bloody ear work is tremendous.

DOLPH indeed, Kenny.
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I remember on raw in 2011 there was a champion vs champion match between Cena and Christian. Was it any good? I can't seem to find it.
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So it looks like WWE is doing a 'Before they were stars' theme for WWE Classics on Demand in February. Pretty sweet. I'm looking forward to seeing the listings for it. Here's hoping they'll show the 'WWF Before they were Superstars' DVD.
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Old 01-15-2013, 09:55 PM   #14309 (permalink)
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Relax, it's NOT going to be Rock-Cena II. If anything they'll do a triple threat with either Lesnar or Punk involved for a few reasons, number one being an interview Rock had about a week ago or so claiming that he was "pumped" about his Wrestlemania opponent and he believes that him and his opponent will break records. A rematch with Cena would do less buys than XXVIII , Rock isn't stupid in the slightest. I'm convinced we're getting Lesnar-Rock because it makes so much sense with the whole BOX OFFICE comments, Heyman being involved, Lesnar signing with the WWE in the first place (dude is a straight up money addict and HATES not performing in the absolute main event... He HAD to know who his Mania opponent was going to be before he signed), etc.

The way the stars are aligning, it looks like a ROCK-BROCK Wrestlemania main event. The biggest PPV draw in MMA history Brock Lesnar (four out of UFC's five highest drawing shows were headlined by Lesnar) going up against arguably the biggest PPV draw in WWE history on the biggest show of them all ? Makes TOO much sense. Brock and Rock aren't stupid, and know what's good for business when they signed their deals and agreed to their Mania matches so long in advance like they probably did.

The only problem is... If we get Lesnar/Rock, where the hell does that leave the rest of the card exactly ?
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I remember on raw in 2011 there was a champion vs champion match between Cena and Christian. Was it any good? I can't seem to find it.
Went 3:16 and ended in a DQ. So it's not worth your time.

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Relax, it's NOT going to be Rock-Cena II. If anything they'll do a triple threat with either Lesnar or Punk involved for a few reasons, number one being an interview Rock had about a week ago or so claiming that he was "pumped" about his Wrestlemania opponent and he believes that him and his opponent will break records. A rematch with Cena would do less buys than XXVIII , Rock isn't stupid in the slightest. I'm convinced we're getting Lesnar-Rock because it makes so much sense with the whole BOX OFFICE comments, Heyman being involved, Lesnar signing with the WWE in the first place (dude is a straight up money addict and HATES not performing in the absolute main event... He HAD to know who his Mania opponent was going to be before he signed), etc.

The way the stars are aligning, it looks like a ROCK-BROCK Wrestlemania main event. The biggest PPV draw in MMA history Brock Lesnar (four out of UFC's five highest drawing shows were headlined by Lesnar) going up against arguably the biggest PPV draw in WWE history on the biggest show of them all ? Makes TOO much sense. Brock and Rock aren't stupid, and know what's good for business when they signed their deals and agreed to their Mania matches so long in advance like they probably did.

The only problem is... If we get Lesnar/Rock, where the hell does that leave the rest of the card exactly ?
I don't see how that is a certainty one bit. Certain wrestling fans would still plunk down money to see another Rock vs Cena match + whatever might be on the card.
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