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Think I would have murdered someone at that point if Trips had to do the job to Carlito, the laziest piece of shit in WWE history. Not the worst by any means, just the laziest

Here's a really interesting question... We've all talked about mark out moments and victories that made us go crazy and get our adrenaline pumping.... But have any of you guys watched a match that, even though you know is kayfabe, has a result that causes you to become upset ? Like if a sports team loses or something ?

Vengeance 2005 and Wrestlemania XXII pissed me off alot when I was a kid. Trips jobbing to Batista and Cena really fucking rubbed me the wrong way as a crazy Trips mark. Recently there have been a few losses that have pissed me off royally and caused me to act as if the Patriots lost the Superbowl ; Punk losing to Del Rio @ Summerslam because it killed all his momentum being one, Ryder losing to Swagger for the US title drove me crazy as well. The most obvious one would probably be Lesnar losing to Cena, but that seriously didn't affect me due to how great both performed, swear to god Brock has me cheering for Cena by the end of it :P . KAYFABE LIVES.

I'm still a mark, because that's when Wrestling is at it's best :hhh
As soon as I read the question I immediately thought of Punk at Summerslam 2011 as well lol. I was fearing that Punk would lose to Cena but then he won and I was so very happy. However Del Rio rolled out and stole it and I slammed my fists on the table and yelled 'NO! FUCK! NO!'. I remember it quite well and I was pretty damn annoyed for the rest of the day. I was so happy Punk beat Cena and was looking forward to a nice title reign but Kevin Nash and Del Rio took that away from me.

It's okay to be a mark sometimes. It's why I love wrestling so much. I can watch it on so many different levels and enjoy things on different levels in a way that no other form of entertainment can really provide.
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Sorry for the double post.

I've been watching old Raw and PPVs for a while now. I started with early-mid 1996 and am now up to May 1998 (I never experienced it and only got into wrestling in 2005, and only properly started watching WWE TV in late 2010 and early 2011). I just watched Unforgiven 98 and thought it was a solid PPV. I was thinking I might start posting small reviews of the PPVs here.

WWF Unforgiven 1998

Match 1: The Rock, D-Lo Brown & Mark Henry v. Ken Shamrock, Faarooq & Steve Blackman
Not bad. The feud at the time was pretty good with the Nation turning on Farooq and he gets his revenge in this match which is always fun to watch. Perhaps a little too slow for a PPV opener though. Needed to be a bit quicker paced I think, but otherwise a fine match with a satisfying finish.

Match 2: Triple H vs Owen Hart for the WWF European Championship
Not a whole lot to say here. Solid match, nothing great, but fun. It is a little overbooked though with Chyna hanging above the cage which she then breaks out of. But all of that is only to cause a diversion as X-Pac runs in and hits Owen with something and Triple H gets the win and retains. Way too much happening and could have been a lot simpler. But hey it was entertaining.

Match 3: The New Midnight Express vs The Rock ‘n’ Roll Express for the NWA World Tag Team Championship
I had no idea that the NWA had any part in the WWE until I saw it. Nobody ever seems to talk about it, and for good reason I guess because it's all pretty damn forgettable. Didn't even pay attention to most of the 7 minute match. I knew it was only filler for the next hotly anticipated match. Don't remember who won, probably the Midnight Express to retain, I think.

Match 5: Luna Vachon vs. Sable in an Evening Gown match
Wasn't even being sarcastic when I said 'hotly anticipated'. The crowd was standing up for it and were quite loud the whole way through. It's amazing to think that this was probably a major reason for people paying for this show. The women's match wasn't just the bathroom break it is now. Funny, you could actually see people getting up during the previous tag team match to go to the bathroom BEFORE this match. Anyway. It's an evening gown match. It's a bit of fun for a few minutes. I think Luna won this match but who cares because Sable's chest... just... my god. Uh... next match!

Match 6: New Age Outlaws vs. LOD 2000 for the WWF Tag Team Championship
I actually skimmed through this match (not a very good reviewer am I?) because I got bored pretty quick. Sorry. LOD won the match but because the belt was in the ring when NAO tried to use it to win the ref reversed the decision. NAO retained.

Match 7: Kane vs The Undertaker in an Inferno Match
This was nowhere near as bad as I thought it might be, and saying that, their WM 14 match was nowhere near as bad as I thought it might be either. Both matches were actually pretty good. This one perhaps more so, I'm not sure. At one point Kane is on the outside and Vader returns (he hadn't been seen in months after being taken out by Kane if I remember correctly) to attack Kane. Taker dives over the top rope on to the both of them with the added danger of the flames in a pretty great spot. I've seen him do it heaps of times and the one at WM 14 where he went through the announce table is perhaps more spectacular but it's still incredible to watch him do it every time. I'd say the way it's shot in this match gives a better visual. Anyway Undertaker gets his revenge on Paul Bearer finally and then wins by setting Kane's arm on fire. Of course, you can tell that there is a cover of some sort over his forearm to stop the fire from spreading but it's still kinda cool.

Match 8: Dude Love vs. Stone Cold for the WWF championship
Pretty fun main event. But I'm quite sure they had another match that I saw a while ago and was better than this one. I could be wrong though. Still, a good match. McMahon had come out to ring side to re-enact the screwjob, which they had been teasing on Raw. Stone Cold hits Vince with a steel chair kind of accidentally-on-purpose... maybe. He gets DQ'd for that but of course retains the title. So yeah, another overbooked ending but again, it was entertaining and pretty silly, so whatever.

PPV goes off the air with McMahon being put on a stretcher. I can see how fans at the time would have loved this.

Overall the show is okay. There are some good matches but nothing really great (the inferno match comes close) and not really worth going out of your way to see IMO. I'd give it a 6/10

Also for some reason Jeff Jarrett had some concert with some guy for some reason and I just skipped through it. Then he got attacked by Steve Blackman but then got the upper hand on Blackman. I really can't stand Jeff Jarrett and also had no idea he was with the WWF at all until I started watching the old stuff.

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Smackdown was pretty good this week. Cesaro/Orton was fine for what it was and Del Rio/Show was p. great as well.

If I needed to put STARS~! onto them, I'd go with **1/4 for Cesaro/Orton and ***1/2 for Del Rio/Show. I probably would have enjoyed Del Rio/Show more had I not known who won going in but it was still p. great.

Also, the Dwayne/Sandow/Rhodes promo was just fantastic. Sandow is GOAT and Rhodes was good in his role as well.

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WM 14 Undertaker/Kane >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Inferno match. And I enjoy the inferno match. But still, surrounded by fire limits them immanently. They did the best they could .

OVER THE EDGE is the Austin/Dude Love title match you are thinking of. Its awesome. ****1/2 and the absolute BEST Austin match from the 98/99 period.
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Good point about the fire, it does limit them but at the same time adds a cool, element to the match. I may have to watch their WM 14 match again to say which one I think is better. This one is fresh in my mind and it's been about a month since I saw the WM one. I'll watch it tomorrow.

And I didn't realise it was at Over the Edge. Thought it was in 99 or something. But anyway, awesome, that means I will get around to it pretty soon. I noticed a few pages back that somebody brought up the Mankind/HBK match from Mind Games. Thought I'd say that I really loved that match too.
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I'm re-watching 98 at the moment as well (started with the night after WM14). I find myself skipping a lot of the undercard. There's only so many Shamrock/Blackman matches I can watch, and as awesome as the Oddities ICP song is, I really don't have any desire in watching them wrestle the Godwinns. LOD 2000 () and DOA have a feud that seems to go on forever. There's that awful Hawk storyline, and a lack of much GREAT wrestling. The undercard is still pretty weak at this point (despite having guys like Jarrett, X-Pac, and Owen).

Still, the main-event is really starting to take shape. Austin, Taker, Kane, Mankind, McMainMan~!, with Rock, Trips and Outlaws on the rise.

Austin/Dude 0TE is on another level.

Funk/Foley FCA = best 98 Raw main event I've seen so far.

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Speaking of 1998, just posted my thoughts on the 1998 Royal Rumble even in my blog .

Finished watching 1999 too. Worst. Royal Rumble. Ever. That's both RR Match AND RR PPV. Now to watch Saturday Morning Slam! CAMERA CUTS! DIZZY! YEY!
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Continuing the trend of 1998 PPVs (which is arguably my favourite year in all of wrestling with 1997):


Vader vs. The Artist Formerly Known As Goldust w/ Luna - Average opener but with a cool finish. Vaderbomb on Goldust with Luna on his back - her face almost smashes into the canvas, could've been painful. **1/2

Max Mini, Mosaic and Nova vs. Battalion, El Torito and Tarantula - Minis match, ugh. Great athletes but their matches sucked. Sunny was the ref. Make your own jokes. Meh. *

Intercontinental Championship: Ken Shamrock vs. The Rock {c} - The Rock was still being called 'Rocky Miavia' at this point but not for long. Average match with a bullshit finish. Rock hits Shamrock with brass knuckles then hides them in Shamrock's tights. Shamrock wins the match but then Rock appeals to ref about the knuckles and reverses the decision. Lame. **1/4

Tag Team Championship: Legion Of Doom vs. New Age Outlaws (c) - Rematch from the D-Generation X PPV the previous month. These two seemed to have about a million matches against each other. Hawk gets handcuffed to the ringpost but then breaks the cuffs and goes apeshit on the Outlaws with a steel chair. **

Royal Rumble Match - Two minute intervals (which is what it should always be dammit). Cactus Jack and Chainsaw Charlie are numbers 1 and 2, making it the most entertaining beginning to a Rumble I've ever seen. Foley appears three times as Cactus, Mankind and Dude Love. If you had been watching Raw for the weeks prior to this event, I think it was fairly safe to say you knew who was going to win. A number of guys pull off Iron Man performances (Rock, Bradshaw, 8-Ball, Goldust, Phineas) which means the match just dragged. Austin wins perhaps the most easily predictable RR match in history, but nonetheless, thanks to the hot opening and the match picking up momentum when Austin entered, was fun. ***1/2

Casket Match for the WWF Title: The Undertaker vs. Shawn Michaels {c} - The infamous match which almost ruined HBK's career. The spot in question is fairly innocuous as Michaels is backdropped over the top rope and his back hits the casket, but wouldn't be aware of the full effects of the injury until afterwards. With the 1994 RR casket match still in the memories, New Age Outlaws and Los Boricuas attack Undertaker, only for KANE to make the save. Kane then turns on his brother and chokeslams him into the casket. Match was fairly short. Kane then sets the casket on fire and The Undertaker dies at the Royal Rumble AGAIN. The man doesn't have much luck at his event. ***1/2

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Extreme Rules 2012

Falls Count Anywhere
Randy Orton vs. Kane ***

Brodus Clay vs. Dolph Ziggler **

Tables Match for Intercontinental Title
Cody Rhodes vs. Big Show **1/2

2 out of 3 Falls for World Heavyweight Title
Sheamus vs. Daniel Bryan ****1/2

2 on 1 Handicap
Ryback vs. Jobbers - DUD

Chicago Street Fight for WWE Championship
CM Punk vs. Chris Jericho ****

Divas Title Match
Layla vs. Nikki Bella - DUD

Extreme Rules Match
John Cena vs. Brock Lesnar ****1/2 (Match of the Night)

Overall - 8/10

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