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Old 01-11-2013, 06:12 PM   #13861 (permalink)
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Old 01-11-2013, 06:15 PM   #13862 (permalink)
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Are you into the indy stuff that Cody is? I was reading up on this PAC guy (now in NXT but already forgot his "WWE name") and found a youtube vid of his top 10 moves. The guy seems insane. 75% of the clips were against El Generico (also signed by WWE now?) and was wondering if you pimp those matches (apparently there are 2 PAC/Generico matches) as much as Cody does. Never really got into indies other than an ROH match here or there.
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Holy shit FCW really had some good stuff.

And I haven't seen much of PAC either, Greg. Hoping to find some matches myself.
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Old 01-11-2013, 06:20 PM   #13864 (permalink)
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There's a really good Ambrose/Sandow match in FCW too .
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Old 01-11-2013, 06:25 PM   #13865 (permalink)
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Ummmm, I'm not as high on a lot of the indies generally (feel it really dipped once Danielson and McGuinness left ROH) but there's still some talent. I've honestly watched little of PAC. He was a Dragon Gate guy and well I just have no time for DG, they have their distinct style but its just not something I can really sit through anymore. I've really regressed into old school wrestling so most of the guys I like today are those who either exhibit a lot of old school tendancies or who are older wrestlers. PAC by all accounts has gotten better at developing an all round game, which if true will serve him well in WWE where he'll be expected to use his offence only at the beginning and end of a match and therefore have to do more in between.

Generico is a guy I like, albeit far less than others. Seems like a chill dude, works hard and is a very emotive wrestler. Can't see I'm a huge fan of a lot of his strikes and offence (look a little too light for my tastes) and he's not the sort of guy I enjoy working 50/50 bouts. Still, he's a genuine babyface who works well from underneath and can really make a match engaging so long as the heel isn't fucking pitiful. I think in WWE them stripping down parts of his moveset might aid him.

Aside from that, I only really like a select handful of guys on the indies. Sami Callihan is pretty good, albeit flawed and prone to annoying tendancies (plays a punk/screamo/lunatic character and often gets too caught up in that character with bizarre facial expressions and occasionally over the top setups for certain moves). Still he bumps and sells well, is great working as a tough as nails babyface or a malicious heel controlling a match, and his match in 2011 vs Finlay was spectacular and one of the best indy matches in years. I haven't seen the two Finlay matches from this year, but Seabs and Yeah1993 put up some links to some of his 2012 work which I can dig up for you if you're ever curious to check him out.

I fucking loathe Davey Richards and others of that style. I understand why the agility and athleticism works for some, but yeeesh I just can't escape the lack of pacing, structure, logic or genuine investment in their matches. Everything happens at such speed there's no time to really get invested in the match and very few times does there appear to be a structure developing to make both guys look better by the end of the match.

James Mason & Dean Allmark fucking rule the world though. They're on the British indy scene and work more Regal esque counter wrestling matches with a great babyface/heel dynamic and some purely fun/comical wrestling thrown in between. From the little I've seen, Damien Wayne looks a great talent as well.
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Old 01-11-2013, 06:34 PM   #13866 (permalink)
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Rollins/Steamboat series of matches from 2010-2011 when they were feuding over the FCW 15 Medal is where it's at boys. If you can somehow find those matches, they were fucking fantastic.
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I remember watching one of their matches a while back and thought it was dull as shit lol.
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Yeah I haven't watched a full Indy match since Danielson left ROH. That being said, I'd be interested in the Sami/Finlay stuff if it's not too hard to dig up. Also, never seen a Davey Richards match, so I can't comment either way.
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I haven't seen much of PAC but he looks all right. I watched him a few times in 2012 and he worked holds and mat-based shit interestingly enough, and his highspots don't seem annoying or out of place. He built to the the big stuff. Am I wrong in saying he has, like, no personality, though? God, he just seems so...boring as a person. Note that I say 'seems' because I don't actually know.

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I know Yeah1993 was saying he'd up Finlay/Callihan EVOLVE 2012 soon. Not sure on a link for the WXW match or the first match from EVOLVE in 2011. Cal upped it last year on megaupload but when that went to shit a ton of links vanished and quite a lot of other sites get really bad download speeds.

If you haven't seen a Richards match...I wouldn't say you need to go check him out. I haven't watched his early years work but the general consensus is he got terrible the longer he stayed and there's very little redeeming qualities to his work anymore.

@ Yeah1993: no rush mate . I haven't watched much PAC apart from an AJ Styles match back in like 2006 for 1PW. The DG stuff obviously meant I was never that interested in tracking down his work, though people did swear he was competent on the mat and over the years seems to have gotten better with his highpsots and timing them. Obviously that'll get even better in WWE where the emphasis will be on spacing them out and having him work to make a comeback, can't comment much on his personality due to seeing nothing of his ring/mic work...but he's supposedly got a strong Geordie accent, so hearing him cut a promo will be interesting. Wonder if Shane can dub promos again

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