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Old 01-11-2013, 02:42 AM   #13811 (permalink)
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Ah, okay I fucked up. I remember actually walking out of the room during that match.
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Old 01-11-2013, 05:05 AM   #13812 (permalink)
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What was the WCW ppv where Hogan/Flair 4 corners match ended in a pinfall? How do you not know the rules beforehand or was Hogan being Hogan?


:hogan: I don't need any rules, brother! What'cha gonna do when the Hulkster gets the 1-2-3 on you?!
Yeah1993 cleared things up, but I think you might have gotten the main event of Spring Stampede confused with the Uncensored one. Only noting it considering you mentioned a 4 way, which was what main evented Spring Stampede and it had Hogan vs Flair vs Sting vs DDP in it.

Gonna try and log my thoughts on the majority of WWE programming in here to see which TOP matches will make my cut. I guess I should have started with Main Event on 1/2, but since both matches were terrible I'll simply start with RAW.

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Monday Night RAW 1/7/13



1) John Cena vs Dolph Ziggler ~ DUD


2) WWE Divas Championship
Eve Torres(c) vs Kaitlyn ~ DUD


3) Rhodes Scholars (Cody Rhodes & Damien Sandow) vs Team Hell No (Kane & Daniel Bryan) ~ *


4) Randy Orton vs Heath Slater ~ DUD


5) Wade Barrett vs Santino Marella ~ DUD


6) Antonio Cesaro vs Great Khali ~ DUD


7) Sheamus vs Jinder Mahal ~ DUD


8) WWE Championship - Tables, Ladders, & Chairs Match
CM Punk(c) vs Ryback ~ ***1/2


9) Big Show vs Kofi Kingston ~ N/R



~ First two hours of this RAW was atrocious. Nothing but garbage squash matches over and over and over again. Cesaro hit the Neutralizer on Khali again - which was very impressive. Big whoop though. All of it is exactly what the WWE needs to get away from. Where is the interesting booking?

~ Cena vs Dolph was a travesty. I have never ever remotely once said the awful term "super cena". Until now. The booking in this match was far and away the biggest load of shit I think I might have ever seen. You got the knuckleheads who complain about Cena beating Lesnar at Extreme Rules when that was done to damn near perfection. This trainwreck, however, is a real reason for someone to moan and groan. This is coming a guy who LOVES John-boy too. Don't get me wrong, he's the man. I can't tolerate mindless booking that of which nearly destroys Dolph's credibility. Dolph hits all of his finishers/signature moves. Cena kicks out. Ok. Not bad b/c there was a ref bump ---> Big E. Langston interference. Lays out Cena. Dolph covers. Cena still kicks out. Only way out now is a dusty finish. Nope. Instead Cena his ONE F-U and beats Dolph clean. Fuck this. Cena, you're always by one of my favorites, but I can't spin this in any fashion to where this made one bit of sense. WWE needs to get slapped upside the head for this one. Rant over.

~ The last hour of this show...ok, it legit (and I'm 100% dead serious. no hyperbole or sarcasm.) saved the entire show. First off the personal pleasure I got out of Big Show making Kofi Kingston job in 24 seconds. Nearly brought a tear to my eye. Kofi Kingston might finally become a jobber. It's bliss. Now onto the honest to goodness aspect of what made this hour of wrestling television a wonderful experience...

~ TLC was a ton of fun. I bought into it. Perhaps more than some others. Perhaps less than some others. Punk was a bumping machine and speaking of machines, my word Ryback was filthy with his destruction during the match. Decimating Punker any and all chance he could find. All of those months of frustration seemed to culminate every chance Ryback got to slam Punk through a table or crush him on a ladder. Punk displayed flashes of brilliance too in a mist of being the one who was clobbered (Ben Grimm seems to fit Ryback a hair more considering aesthetic appearances. I digress) Punk's display of intelligence to maneuver his way around the brute rocked. Dodging the steel steps only to leap off of them to drive the high knee into Ryback's face + evading Ryback by rolling out of the ring to lure him into diving into a table. Awesome. I appreciated and more importantly enjoyed the psychology of the match. It was painfully obvious Punk would win, yet that didn't come into play once in the match. The drama was still there even with the Rock championship shot looming for the Rumble. Another Shield screw job on Ryback makes me ponder if Ryback will even win the Rumble match now. I could honestly see Ryback vs The Shield at WrestleMania. If not in a handicap then in another 6 man capacity. I had tons of fun with this match. It isn't a MOTYC, or at least not a HIGH one, but it's the current WWE MOTY atm. 10 days in, big whoop I know. It's gonna be mentioned for the rest of the year. No doubt. It had that memorable factor to it. Plenty of entertainment to go around. Thankfully the debut RAW gave us a match worth discussing. Hoping the trend continues tenfold throughout the rest of the year. If not one match on RAW per week, but a few. 3 hours a week. They can afford to give us 3-4 quality bouts.

~ CM Punk's pipe bomb. I'm sitting here at 2:54 AM writing this review and I'm literally out of words on what to say about this. I can yammer on about how I love this and this is why I love CM Punk to death, but I've tooted that horn so many times that it hasn't lost it's luster, only merely doesn't do what CM Punk does pure justice. The man knows how to hook you. Dare I say better than a majority of many, and I mean MANY workers in the whole of the biz. You got some out there who want to disagree with that. Maybe b/c they don't like the "fourth wall" being shattered or any form of a worked-shoot being done. I can't see those as a negative when done the way Punk delivers it. b/c regardless of what the "plan" was, everything is REAL. You believe every single word out of his mouth. I know I do. And I'm honest to science certain what he says is the truth. He wouldn't bring up Bryan Danielson being gimmicked out or Tyson Kidd being a workhorse if he didn't firmly believe the controversial things he was spitting out. Punk does it again. Like I said, I really do not have the appropriate response to really sum up what he gave us in his promo. I'll say godly and advance on.

~ Rock's interactions. Wow. Finally (no pun intended) Rock brought it. Sure, he was tons of fun on the RAW 1000th show. No doubt. Here, on this RAW when it firmly meant something important, he brought it. And I'm soooooo glad he did. He kept his comedy stuff. I had no gripes. I laughed. Beat 100% of all of his comments towards Cena which I found to be garbage the majority of the time. Back and forth with Punker was what the Rumble needed. I'm officially hyped. This dream match is one that I know nobody ever imagined. Rock vs Cena, yeah, it was once in a lifetime. Fair enough. Only, that HAD to happen. Or if Rock returned for one more match it would against...yep, you guessed it, John Cena. Perfectly understandable too. Who saw Rock vs CM Punk coming until Rock announced he would appear at the Rumble? Hmm? Nobody. Of course not. This match means something. At least it does to me. I'm feeling that buzz. The excitement, the anticipation, the joy of watching WWE again. Actually caring and being quite emotionally invested in a match. More than the usual. I'm pulling for the Punker 100% in this clash. Although I'm glad Rock has made this special in his own right too. It's gonna be a clash. Match could be a toss up. We know the atmosphere will be, pun intended, electric. Can't wait. I'm pumped, stoked, hyped, and more importantly excited to see a big time clash for the WWE Championship. If Rock returns to work, well, then this is what it needs to be. Not like the crap known as Survivor Series 2011. This match alone has jump started the pulse of the Royal Rumble again. 2 years it's been dead. Maybe even longer some others. Punk vs Rock. It's gonna be something special. Just like what those two, especially Punk, made the final hour of this RAW. Special.
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Yeah1993 cleared things up, but I think you might have gotten the main event of Spring Stampede confused with the Uncensored one. Only noting it considering you mentioned a 4 way, which was what main evented Spring Stampede and it had Hogan vs Flair vs Sting vs DDP in it.
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Yeah1993 answered my question and corrected me. The bold above is not what I was thinking about. The match between Hogan/Flair I believed I trying to mention was a four corners match, where you win by tapping each turnbuckle while dragging your opponent. I may be mistaken though.
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Oh, the strap match from Uncensored 2000 is what I do think you might be leaning towards actually.
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Oh, the strap match from Uncensored 2000 is what I do think you might be leaning towards actually.

There we go! Thank you, Hailsabin. The holy Haley (whateverthehellherlastnameis) is watching over you.
Terrible fuckin' matches with the cage and strap though.

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She's always with me.

Speaking of bad strap matches with Hogan & Flair, you recall the Strap match with Hogan vs Vader from Uncensored 1995? The match literally ends when Hogan locks RIC FLAIR up in the strap and begins to hit all 4 turnbuckles. Bobby Heenan was the only guy who realized it was insanity. It was either the most hilarious or perplexing thing you could possibly see. Until the next abomination gimmick/booking decision by WCW would rear its ugly head. (still <3 that WCW tho)
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Locks up? Like wraps Flair up with the strap?
Reading that, it seems Hogan should steer clear of gimmick matches. That tower match with the DOD comes to mind.


Edit: Just read about that. Seriously go over the rules before the match so you won't look like an idiot.

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Yeah, he removes the strap off of Vader's wrist only to attach it to Flair's and win the match. It's bonkers.

I brought up the spectacle known as the Tower of Doom a few pages back. It's the ultimate of wrestlecrap.
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WCW usually had terrible gimmick matches. I read about the early Halloween Havoc ppvs...yikes. Points for being creative but the execution (no pun intended) was bad. I did like the Thunderdome match at HH '89.

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-Chamber of Horror - could have been better (without the switch going down by itself)
-Coal Miner's Glove (wtf?)
-Sumo Monster truck match - what?

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Thunderdome wasn't bad. It seems to be a match fans either got into or they didn't. Cream of the crop at Halloween Havoc though is obvious. You know where I'm going with it when we're talking about bad gimmicks. Chambers of Horrors from 1991 of course. Points for thinking outside of the box, but oh my. It's beyond outlandish. Sometimes it's awesome to watch all of those matches though. Don't know why, but it really can be. I love this stuff too much I guess that even the bad matches have appeal haha.
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