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Old 01-10-2013, 09:36 PM   #13781 (permalink)
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Pretty much Redead. Nothing gets the time to flow or develop anymore. Everything's either rushed to make time for a segment or they just milk the middle section of the match with basic holds and no real development and just rely on a couple of eye-catching counters in the finishing stretch to rescue the match. Even looking back at someone like Mcintyre in 2010 and how much he'd get out a control segment. A structure and flow was created, things mattered and were built to, the comeback felt like something special because of the work Mcintyre put in to keeping control and everything just felt cohesive and meaningful.

Nowadays they cut to commercial at the beginning of a match or even worse during the heat segment and return minutes before the babyface comeback. Matches as a whole just struggle to build into a clear 3 part arc at the moment. Its one of the reasons I'm still far lower on Ziggler than others. His matches just don't feel important or impactful until they hit the finishing stretch and start trading counters.
Not sure if you saw it but I alluded to this in my review of Sheamus/Ziggler from last night's Main Event. I like Ziggler though and I think he brings a lot more than most guys on the roster to his finishing stretches and sequences so I'm cool with it.
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Old 01-10-2013, 10:20 PM   #13782 (permalink)
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Saw Hogan/Bret from Nitro.

IT'S GARBAGE. Hogan REAAALLLYYY fucking sucked in WCW, like.... WORST wrestler in the world bad. He did nothing but back rakes in some of his matches FFS!
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Cody's new Finlay sig is SWANK, tbhayley.

Best 10 workers in the company in terms of pure ability (not in order):

Bryan
Punk
Cena
Mysterio
Sheamus
Christian
Bourne
Mcintyre
Regal
Henry

Christian/Orton is pretty much a two match series for me. First encounter on Smackdown and the rematch at OTL which is comfortably the best of their series. Everything after with Christian turning heel and being nowhere near as good as he is as a face worker, coupled with Orton being below average as a face worker..blurgghh. OTL had the best dynamic with Christian being the plucky underdog trying to outwrestle and break the preverbial glass ceiling in Orton.

Sheamus is probably a top 5/6 worker in the company atm, with Henry and Bourne both injured and Mysterio wasted with the horrendous Cara. He's a really underrated babyface in peril worker, structures his matches well and works a variety of matches very well: can brawl with Tensai, Show and Barrett, work quicker and more story driven matches with Bryan and Morrison and can even work agile sprints with someone like Ziggler. I still think his true test is to excel against someone like Cena or Del Rio, guys similar in size and style to him. I have no doubt he'll deliver against smaller or larger opponents, but the jury's still out on him vs a guy not too dissimilar to him imo. His performance against Morrison at TLC 2010 is still his absolute best imo. Such a wonderfully constructed ladder match full of smart pacing, structure, heat segment and timing all of Morrison's comebacks superbly so they came off as desperate and heroic instead of spotty.
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I might be alone, but I never found the first Christian vs Orton match in May to be very exceptional. It's good, but nothing to a point that did much for me. It's all about Over The Limit which was far and away too good for words. I enjoyed the rest of the series. Summerslam is a vague memory though. I know I considered MITB their weakest match. Only liked Christian winning, despite the crap "burial" by having Orton to remain looking strong post-match. Hate that garbage. Cage was a ton of fun. I'll always stand by the fact that turning Christian heel in 2011 was such an asinine move. There was a reason why fans put their first two matches - Over the Limit the consensus - as the best matches. Christian was a face. It was the better move and didn't have a taint of Orton's face work towards Christian's random & unconvincing heel alignment.

@ name dropping Tensai in the list for Sheamus. I really, really liked their bout from Smackdown on 8/3. It's so good. On the level I knew those two could give with 9 minutes. Has to be the best Tensai match since his WWE return.
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Old 01-10-2013, 10:31 PM   #13784 (permalink)
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Tensai still sucks though.
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I firmly disagree. I'm one of his only supporters though. Now that's a dislike I totally don't understand.
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He just sucks. Such a terrible gimmick too.

Back onto 1996 nitro's.

Public Enemy vs American Males was a decent match.
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ahhhhhhh, I like his gimmick. Beastly American that ruled in Japan. It's pretty legit, tbhayley. I blame all crap he gets on WWE. When he's been given the ball, he's delivered. He needs another match vs KANE.

American Males. Now that's a terrible gimmick.
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It was a decent match though.

I just don't like Tensai. He's FAT :steiner
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I never liked Riggs. I liked BUFF during some his young face days.

FAT? I like to think HUSKY fits better. Anything for a Steiner reference though. MEXICO NORTH.
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Macho Man vs Ric Flair to start off a Nitro, and new champ Macho Man.
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