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Re: Official DVD/Match/Show Discussion Thread

Ok, just watched the Punk/Bryan MITB without getting distracted by work...

While the match was fast-paced and hard-hitting, that's really all I come away thinking about the match. There was very little ring psychology, which is disappointing, because we all know both are capable of so much more. It just felt like a bunch of hardcore spots here and there ending with the back suplex through the table, which was surprising. After such a hard-hitting match, I never thought a back suplex through the table would end the match.

If you're looking for a match with fast-paced, hardcore weapon usage, then this is the match for you. If you're into wrestling masterpieces, than the OTL match is for you. ***1/2


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I'm gonna finally watch Lesnar/HHH for the first time. Way too many damn mixed reviews.
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Finlay's awesome. Just nails every single aspect of being a worker. He structures and paces his matches superbly, knows how to make everything matter and play a part in the overall context of the match, can work as a face exceptionally well although his work as a heel is far more brilliant. Great striker, very comfortbable and astute on the mat, works even the most basic of holds and manoeuvres in such a way that they look far more impactful and violent than they otherwise would..just a natural in ring talent. There aren't many people who've been in WWE (and I'm taking work outside of the company into consideration) who I'd rank ahead of Finlay purely based as an in ring worker.

His WCW stuff is more limited to shorter matches, though in typical Finlay fashion he makes every second count to the point that even some of his sub 5 minute affairs still offer plenty of redeemable qualities. Slamboree '98 vs Benoit and Uncensored '96 vs Regal are his two best WCW matches imo. The Regal match in particular being between a top 5-10 match in company history. Their follow up Parking Lot Brawl is also arguably the best match in that gimmick, as they just beat the piss out of each other to make up for the restriction of wrestling on cars.

He's shown up in WOS a few times. The standout match so far being vs Marty Jones from 4/14/84. Its on dailymotion and is a typically violent and well paced match with Finlay busting out some insane bursts of athleticism as well as excelling as the villian. Wrote a bit about the match a while back:

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Great match here. It was surreal to see just how athletic Finlay was in his transitions and bumping here, thankfully he still has his stiff pissed off side to him that we grew accustomed to post 2006. And Finlay with great bumping and athleticism as well as dishing out some disgusting headbutts is a formula anyone can get behind.

The opening has some swank mat work and chain wrestling between the two. Jones has some really unique takedowns and grappling techniques and he has this gorgeous spot where he stamps on Finlay's left hand and drives it into the mat before grabbing both arms and locking in a submission. Jones also hit a beastly dropkick early on which had Finlay scrambling to check he hadn't lost a molar. They do a familiar spot where Finlay can't escape a hold and has his arm repeatedly twisted and pulled by Jones which he sells terrificly. Unlike modern grappling exchanges Jones is clearly established as the dominant grappler and Finlay constantly smacks the mat in anger and seeks to take advantage of any opening via headbutt or cleverly concealed closed fist punches.

Goes without saying but some of the strikes in this are brutal, Jones has some amazing european uppercuts and he rocks Finlay with one clean off of the mat and Finlay lays in one headbutt during a greco roman knuckle lock that looked filthy and should have caused an elderly woman to faint in disbelief. Also dug how Finlay resorted to his strikes during the lock ups after accepting he was being made to look foolish by Jones's skill. The finish to the 1st fall is actually one of my favourite spots of all time: Finlay has been slowly pissing Jones off with closed fist punches and cheapshotting as well as some taunting slaps and he reels off a quick succession of moves and launches Finlay into the corner before catching him in a sharpshooter attempt. Finlay then taps Jones on the back like a referee does which confuses Jones into thinking he's won the fall only to turn round into a ferocious forearm from Finlay. Finlay's arrogance gets the best of him though and Jones catches a quick backslide for the pin.

2nd fall is also good but not on the level of the 1st. Jones immediately goes for a quick pin and Finlay seeks about headbutting and kneeing Jones in the ribcage to start a comeback. He works over Jones nicely enough with some good holds before they exchange pinning attempts (some of which were very Lucha esque) and Jones manages to regain the momentum with some sweet strikes as well as Finlay getting too hot headed which ultimately costs him as he eats the turnbuckle at full force. Jones goes up top and hits a senton which looked brutal and apparently gets a warning, guessing there's no top rope moves in WOS (forgot about that rule). Finlay's manager is pissed off and seems to be calling for Jones to be docked the 2nd fall and when the ref refuses Finlay still selling the ribs walks off and gets counted out. Pretty standard finish for a non title match in establshing Jones as having proved himself against Finlay and getting Finlay some good heat, but it did kill my enjoyment a bit.
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I need to watch older Finlay stuff. Loved him in 06. I only vaguely remember him in WCW.





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Finlay/JBL Belfast Brawl from Mania 24. DAT TRASH CAN SHOT.

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Its strange, in many ways I think '06 was his peak. As a younger worker he's still violent albeit with more pace and able to work quicker grappling contests on the mat, but from the minute he returned in '06 he had that disgruntled old man looking to reclaim his birthright and murder some youngsters attitude that just made his matches so fun to watch. Methodical, calculating veteran Finlay might be his greatest time in his career. Arguably as violent as he ever was, given the freedom to work the style he wanted and he just compliments so many of the younger guys on the roster and plugs them into his formula which can't fail unless he has an off night or his opponent is really dire.

That WOS match is phenomenal however. Marty Jones is an amazing wrestler himself and feels like the precursor to Finlay and Regal with how he blends grappling with violent strikes and a smooth British swagger in his work. Jones actually trained Regal as a wrestler, and watching his work you can really see staples of Regal's act. I especially love how he's a more tough babyface who isn't afraid to castrate you the minute you piss him off.
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Love that match. So fun.





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Finlay and Regal are two of my all time favourites. They work so brutal yet they deliver masterpieces. They're storytelling is off the charts!

So I finally saw Lesnar/HHH and all I have to say is, are some of you people crazy? Man, good story telling is really under appreciated these days. That match was freaking great if you ask me. The pacing was really good. From the balls out start to the control segment by Lesnar mixed in with the short burst comebacks by The Game, everything was just well timed and well done. Even the little things like Lesnar taking off the gloves. And most importantly, you throw some damn fine selling into the mix as well and you got the recipe to a great match. Now I'll be honest, I was going to award this match three and a three quarter snowflakes but damn! DAT FINISH! Came out of nowhere. That my friend's is a real false finish. Without spoiling anything (for those who haven't seen it yet) let's just say it's not your typical hit the finisher, go for a pin attempt "1, 2 ohhhhhhhh!!!! God what do I have to do" false finish. Now that I reflect on it, this match was brilliant!

A top 10 for sure. Damn, Lesnar came back to work two matches in 2012 and he's in my top 10. That's freaking impressive.

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That's one of my favorite openers ever. Such a fun match to kick off my favorite Mania.



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