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**The Lady Killer** · 01-09-2013, 10:27 AM

Gonna need a 5000 word essay detailing the reasons it sucks.

**WOOLCOCK** · 01-09-2013, 10:45 AM

Only 5000 word essay I'd want to read is Cal professing his undying love for Lita and her box of love.

Or the ramblings of a straight edge Texan named Mike about why Bruce Springsteen, HIMYM & Zooey Deschanel are what I should be worshipping in life.

Or Jawbreaker's stoned thoughts on PWG.

**The Lady Killer** · 01-09-2013, 10:46 AM

What are your thoughts on that match, WOOLCOCK?

**WOOLCOCK** · 01-09-2013, 10:50 AM

Ironically enough I have yet to see it. I read up on the PPV but just never got around to watching it. AJ stuff wasn't awful at the time I thought (it got worse quickly though) but on a personal note I really hated her involvement in any program between Punk and Bryan. I know its more of a gimmick hardcore match, which honestly probably explains why I've waited so long to watch it. Aside from the TLC 6 man I can't tell you the last hardcore/gimmick match I've enjoyed from WWE. They all seem to follow the same structure, spots and weapons these days that any sort of hatred or originality disappears and it loses its impact.

The fact the Shield 6 man TLC was different and featured more authentic violence compare to the same recycled props and spots was one of the major reasons I loved the match live.

**The Lady Killer** · 01-09-2013, 10:52 AM

Fair enough. I'm just a bit bewildered by the * ratings being thrown at it. I thought it was at least ***1/2 but to each his own. Now I want to watch it again to see how it holds up.

**WOOLCOCK** · 01-09-2013, 10:53 AM

I should probably watch it eventually, I've seen pretty much every other big match from the company last year so seems pointless to purposefully avoid the MITB encounter. It did seem a rather divisive match live by all accounts, I know a few people in the MOTYC thread were arguing over it being a MOTYC or just a merely good match.

**The Lady Killer** · 01-09-2013, 10:55 AM

It definitely wouldn't crack my top 10, and I think the finish/AJ's involvement soured a few people's opinions on the match. From what I recall I enjoyed it more than the gimmick match Punk and Jericho had at ER. I think that match is very overrated.

Rickey · 01-09-2013, 10:56 AM

AJ made me not care about the feud anymore she just started to overshadow everything about Punk vs. Bryan. Even the title, iirc the buildup vid for the MITB match was all about her.

Hated it. Not the match, thought it was...alright. The Over the Limit match would have suffered too if AJ was the main focus but it was great because it was all about Punk vs. Bryan.

**WOOLCOCK** · 01-09-2013, 10:59 AM

Yeah I wasn't a big fan of either Punk/Jericho match. Jericho doesn't strike me as someone who should work a brawl (pretty sure he used a chinlock/resthold at one point) and his offence just lacks that violent aspect that lends itself to a 'fight'. Punk took some pretty big bumps to put over the match which I liked and the stuff with his sister was quite good. Aside from that the only other positive aspect I took from it was that both men wore street clothes which is something I wish everyone did when wrestling a street fight/gimmick match.

I'm spoilt in a way by watching Memphis and Lucha brawls which perfectly capture that authentic violence and utter hatred for your opponent. Once you see Sangre Chicana biting someone's bloody forehead and spitting blood into the air or Jerry Estrada headbutting a referee for trying to break up his assault you kinda struggle to get properly invested in a WWE version of a 'brawl'.

**The Lady Killer** · 01-09-2013, 11:02 AM

Or BROCK licking blood off his gloves.