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Watched some Raw today. You know, bcuz of The Rock. His promo was great. Promos are not all about what you say, it's how you say it, it's how people react. Energy. Delivery. The Rock gets it. In my humble opinion, he COMPLETELY owned CP Munk last night. And I mean, COMPLETELY. You gotta be either a blind and biased Punk mark, or crazy Rock hater, to not to see it. Punk's promo was good at the beginning, but he completely lost the track down the road. The moment he tried to get some cheap heat with Bruno and Hogan name dropping, he lost me, and reminded me why I so strongly dislike him, and since 2010 - his promos too. His stuff just seems all over the place. He comes across as a cheap imitation of... fucking something, with all those name droppings and crybaby bitchings all the time. Same old shit like Cena from last year: movies, schedule, etc. Really? What if The Rock brought up the vanilla midget stuff, Punk carrying the midcard title, etc? The Rock could've BURY him in million different ways. I am sick and tired of Punk's "OMG TEH SHOOTZ", and I don't even watch WWE, lol. I sympathize with all of you who have to suffer from Punk, tbh.

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Watched some Raw today. You know, bcuz of The Rock. His promo was great. Promos are not all about what you say, it's how you say it, it's how people react. Energy. Delivery. The Rock gets it. In my humble opinion, he COMPLETELY owned CP Munk last night. And I mean, COMPLETELY. You gotta be either a blind and biased Punk mark, or crazy Rock hater, to not to see it. Punk's promo was good at the beginning, but he completely lost the track down the road. The moment he tried to get some cheap heat with Bruno and Hogan name dropping, he lost me, and reminded me why I so strongly dislike him, and since 2010 - his promos too. His stuff just seems all over the place. He comes across as a cheap imitation of... fucking something, with all those name droppings and crybaby bitchings all the time. Same old shit like Cena from last year: movies, schedule, etc. Really? What if The Rock brought up the vanilla midget stuff, Punk carrying the midcard title, etc? The Rock could've BURY him in million different ways. I am sick and tired of Punk's "OMG TEH SHOOTZ", and I don't even watch WWE, lol. I sympathize with all of you who have to suffer from Punk, tbh.
Well put. He wasn't bad last night (although I skipped his pre-Rock "pipebomb") but his material is so boring. To his credit, he had a serious face on for the whole thing which is good to start with and Cena smiling like a moron while The Rock talks about ripping his throat and beating him at WM.
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Top 10 WWE Matches of 2012

10
WWE Championship
CM Punk(c) vs. John Cena
Night of Champions




Already gave my thoughts on this one yesterday. I enjoyed everything up until the ending which simply put just annoyed me. It was on its way to being pretty darn great until the finisher fest, literal, finisher fest, that occurred at the end. I loved the big fight feel to this though and it’s the same for all Punk/Cena matches. They feel important. Their wonderful chemistry was once again on display but I didn’t feel that this match quite clicked together the way MITB did. That isn’t a bad thing though because MITB is one of those special matches that you don’t get every year. It had those intangibles that set it apart from everything else. This match didn’t.

~ **** ~


9
World Heavyweight Championship
The Big Show vs. Sheamus(c)
Hell in a Cell




Loved this the first few times I watched it and loved it just as much this time. The story was basic, the Brogue Kick vs. The KO Punch and I think they played it to perfection. I also love how they continuously put over the fact that Sheamus had never faced Show before and didn’t quite know how to deal with him. The commentary complimented the match so well. Thank you JR. Show’s control segment was great and the slow build comeback of Sheamus was just as great. A lot of folks don’t like either of these guys and I know a lot of people didn’t even give them a chance heading into this thing. I love the fact that they just went in there and proved everybody wrong by having such a great match.

~ ****1/4 ~


8
World Heavyweight Championship
2 out of 3 Falls
Sheamus(c) vs. Daniel Bryan
Extreme Rules




(I lost my write up for this and I'm not doing it again lol.)

~ ****1/4 ~


7
World Heavyweight Championship
Fatal Four Way Match
Sheamus(c) vs. Alberto Del Rio vs. Randy Orton vs. Chris Jericho
Over The Limit




I wasn’t even going to watch this but I sure as hell am happy that I did. What a gem. It was fast paced, the action was quick and crisp and just flat out fucking fun. All 4 of them meshed really well together. Basic story of the heels working together to take out the faces but I also liked how all 3 of them never allowed Sheamus to get into the match for a while. The little RKO/Brogue Kick reversal exchange in the middle of the match was awesome. I loved that. Never a dull moment in this thing. Great match.

~ ****1/4 ~


6
WWE Championship
Chicago Street Fight
CM Punk(c) vs. Chris Jericho
Extreme Rules




The entire storyline for this feud is absolutely ridiculous, so much so that I can’t help but laugh lol. So fucking stupid. Anyways, on to the match. CHICAGO STREET FIGHT and what a fight it was. Lots of great stuff in this and it’s a million times better than their boring match at Mania 28. Given the nature of their feud, as stupid as it was, this is what I wanted to see from them. The hometown crowd made it even better. Punk’s sister slapping Jericho and then Punk going nuts afterwards was cool. It was a back and forth battle and just a great fight. Jericho countering the Anaconda Vice with those Kendo Stick shots was sick. The elbow onto the announce table is always a spot that makes me mark and that wasn’t any different this time. Brilliant match.

~ ****1/2 ~


5
The Perfect Storm
Triple H vs. Brock Lesnar
Summerslam




I know I’m in the minority but I absolutely fucking love this match. Everything about it is awesome. The arm work by Brock, the selling by Hunter, Hunter accidentally stumbling upon the beast’s Achilles heel, the selling of the stomach by Brock. Wow. Absolutely fantastic. Then there’s all the subtle things too, Brock constantly working the arm, the key locks, slam on the table, that vicious stomp, Heyman on the outside “Stop doing that!” lol. Huge mark out moment when Brock takes off the gloves. That was badass. I love how they started with Trips being able to temporarily match Brock for a few minutes but then he just went and pissed off the beast by throwing him out of the ring. Brock comes back in, the gloves are off, literally, and shit goes down. I love the story they told, I love the brilliant psychology of the match, I love Brock and his whole fucking aura in this match (and the one with Cena too). He’s a legit machine and one of the very few guys that you can’t take your eyes off. Absolute freak of nature and he’s 2 for 2 in this return. This wasn’t the match I was expecting from these 2 but I loved every second of it. Fantastic stuff.

~ ****1/2 ~


4
Tables, Ladder & Chairs Match
The Shield vs. Team Hell No & Ryback
TLC




Chaos. Recklessness. Destruction. All out carnage. I loved it. Fantastic showing for The Shield. Rollins and Ambrose were the stars here and we got a few flashes of brilliance from Reigns too. The guy is a powerhouse. I love that they won and I love that we don't get to see them in matches all the time because I sure as hell can't wait to see them in action again. The spots were so smart. That double suplex off the table was awesome. The Rollins spot at the end was some Jeff Hardy level stuff. I imagine when he turns face, Rollins will fill that gap nicely. Loved everything about this. Ryback was great too along with Bryan. Hell they all were. This thing definitely lived up to the hype. Brilliant match. Watched it again since I posted this yesterday and was glued to the screen yet again. To steal a line from Mr. Lesnar, utter frickin chaos lol.

~ ****1/2 ~


3
WWE Championship
CM Punk(c) vs. Daniel Bryan
Over The Limit




Punk’s impression of Vince in his pre-match interview. I lol’d. I’m no Punk mark. I’m no Bryan mark either. But I love this match. What a technical battle and all out war. It was stiff and the two of them literally beat the shit out of each other. The surfboard was a bit of a markout moment. What a move. I loved the intensity both of them brought to this thing. They matched each other elbow for elbow, kick for kick, move for move, submission for submission and counter for counter. Fantastic stuff and I could easily watch it again. We don’t get this type of stuff in WWE all the time and it was a nice change of pace from the usual WWE main event. Yes, it was less story based and more psychology/DEM MOVES driven but it was so well put together that it had my attention right from the start and kept me enthralled the whole way through.

~ ****1/2 ~


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Brock Lesnar vs. John Cena
Extreme Rules Match
Extreme Rules




I did a full write up for this one right after I watched it because I loved it so much and could be bothered to do it at the time lol. If you want to read it, click below...if not, just know that it's fucking awesome and would have received the full 5 had it not been for the stupid finish that I'll never get over. EVER. Enough rambling, read it!

Spoiler for BROCK/SHEENA:
The ASS KICKER vs. the FACE OF THE COMPANY. Jesus Christ what a match. Another example of something more than a match actually, this also ranks as an experience imo. This was 150% carnage. Absolute carnage. I’ve never seen anything like this in on WWE TV before in my life. It was other worldly lol. Brock Lesnar is a HEEL and a total machine. I can’t even describe how badly I marked out for his sheer badassery in this thing. His physical presence is unmatched. His recklessness is incredible to watch. His facial expressions are brilliant. His agility is ridiculous for a man his size. The man is just a freak of nature simply put and that element of LEGITIMACY and realness he brings to his matches is so so wonderful to watch. He makes it possible to blur the line between what is real and what isn’t and I love that. Enough marking over Lesnar lol.

I love how they had Cena’s vulnerability show with the fact that he came to the ring with a chain. He IS scared and why wouldn’t he be? Look at who is waiting for him in the ring. Match starts and Cena bombs across only to get nailed with a vicious takedown and subsequent beatdown. Those elbow strikes are brutal as hell and we instantly get blood. BLOOD in a WWE match in 2012. Madness. It was used to full effect here though. Unlike a few years ago, we aren’t conditioned to seeing blood in matches anymore so when those first red blotches hit the mat this thing got real in a hurry. It also put over Lesnar as a sadistic motherfucker. Cena gets up and goes back for more 3 times and every time gets decimated with elbow strikes, punches to the head and knee strikes to the gut. This is a fucking fight and as Cole points out, Cena is getting brutalised like never before. Fans are still eating it up but you can sense the shift happening already. A lot of people look stunned at what is happening before them.

Some spots I loved and marked out for. GERMAN SUPLEXES. When was the last time we saw a German? Loved it. Brock tying Cena up in the chain and then running him the fuck over. He’s just a machine. There’s a moment where he literally licks Cena’s blood off his fingers. WHO DOES THAT!!! We need a heel like him in the WWE SO badly we really do.

Brock eventually nails an F5 but there’s no ref. A new ref comes out and only gets the 2. Lesnar freaks and beats the shit out of him. His ruthlessness and utter disregard for everything around him shines through and continues to put over how much of a lunatic he is. We get a brilliant Cena comeback spot where he’s locked in the kimura on the steel steps but through sheer force of will he manages to lift Lesnar up and slam him on the steps. A glimmer of hope perhaps? Can the beast be beaten? Nope because next comes the most reckless spot of them all. DAT TOP ROPE JUMP. Yes. DAT TOP ROPE JUMP. How athletic is he to make that leap anyways? Jesus. Crowd pops in shock as they both hit the ground hard. Lesnar’s knee looks to be fucked but what does he do? He gets up and starts fucking laughing. He laughs. What a bastard! He goes for it again only to get nailed with DAT CHAIN. What a shot. Brock’s now busted open. This thing is past the stage of getting ugly lol. Cena gets all worked up and lays in wait to hit the AA. Boom, 1, 2, 3, it’s over and the wrong man won.

I don’t care what anybody says, John Cena should NOT have won that match and for that reason, I can’t give this the full 5*. It still pisses me off. But…I’m not about to let that ruin how amazing this is. Cena shouldn’t have won, I found it utterly ridiculous that he did not to mention how he did, I’ve stated my opinion on the matter enough times so I’ll just leave it at that.

I agree wholeheartedly with those calling this a top 10 WWE match ever because it absolutely is. It’s unlike anything we’ve ever seen before. The story they told was the most simple of them all but the subtle touches along the way, especially from Lesnar, just made the whole thing that little bit extra special and truly unique. I’m actually still a bit shocked that they let them go out there and have a match like that in this day and age tbh but I’m glad that they did. The fact that Cena turned the Chicago crowd in his favour, a crowd who booed him to DEATH at Wrestlemania 22 and at MITB just one year ago were sucked in by the story they told to the point where they started to root for him. John Cena, for a rare occasion in his career actually WAS the underdog. His post match speech is the usual Cena BS but whatever. I can’t speak highly enough about this match, this fight in every sense of the word. A true masterpiece and BROCK FUCKING LESNAR is all I have left to say really.

~ ****3/4 ~


1
The End of an Era
The Undertaker vs. Triple H
Hell in a Cell
w/Shawn Michaels as Special Guest Referee




Again, I did a full write up for this one. It's less of a match review and more of a thoughtful piece I guess. Warning, contains a lot of marking but I couldn't help it. This match is special to me and hopefully, if you go on to read, you will find out why.

Spoiler for THE GOATS:
I don’t even know what to say about this match. I suppose I should preface it by saying that I was there live at Sunlife Stadium to witness and more importantly, experience, this match firsthand because it was more than just a wrestling match, it really was an experience. I have watched these 3 men on my TV basically every week for the past decade, hell, longer than that. I have spent a ridiculous amount of money to watch them on PPV and to attend events to see them in person. All of them have encompassed so many memorable matches and moments and have made my time as a fan so much better for watching them and for having them there.

A lot of people call bullshit on the ‘End of an Era’ tagline that was used to promote this match because they’re going to wrestle again but I don’t think they quite fully understand what it meant. This was without a doubt, the LAST time that we’ll ever see 2 (or 3 if we include Shawn) guys from the past eras lock it up in the ring again against each other. Time takes no prisoners. Undertaker is almost 50 and HHH almost 45. The new era, whatever it is, is upon us. The Cena’s, Orton’s, Punk’s and Sheamus’s are running the show now. The ‘End of an Era’ is what they said it is. The last time we’ll get to see 2 stars with the legacies of Triple H and The Undertaker face each other in a match on such a grand scale and for that reason, this match will always be special to me. It’s my childhood and everything that was great about it getting the ultimate platform to say goodbye. I think that’s why a lot of fans hold this match in such high regard. Like I said before, it isn’t just a wrestling match. It’s much more than that and it truly was for me, even more so because I got to sit there and watch 2 masters, 3, I keep forgetting Shawn lol, do what they do best and take me on a roller coaster ride.

I have watched the match back on TV and the atmosphere is incredible. Multiply that by a hundred and that’s what it was like to be there live and to feel every emotion from everybody around you. From the moment JR walked down the aisle, something I admittedly marked shamelessly for, everybody in that place was hooked. It’s very rare that these types of matches come along and to say I was exhausted by the end of it is a complete understatement.

On to the match itself, what can I say? It was like watching a movie play out for entire duration and that’s including the entrances and the aftermath. The 4 year Streak story arc is without a doubt the best handled storyline WWE has produced in a long time. It’s up there with the best of them if you ask me. From the Shawn/Taker matches at 25 and 26, to Taker retiring Shawn, to HHH making the challenge at 27, to Taker getting taken to the absolute limit in that match and in a way, getting defeated even though he got the victory, we all knew this was going to be a WAR and it was. It was brutal, it was vicious, it was uncaring, it was respect, it was friendship, it was vengeance, it was vindication, it was a spectacle and epitomizes what people go to Wrestlemania to see. It was 3 men (I included Shawn this time lol) taking 70,000 people in the palm of their hands and pulling every emotion out of us that they could.

I have this match at 5* because I can’t rate it any less. Maybe it’s because I was there live to experience it for myself, maybe it’s because I’ve been attached to these characters and the performers behind the characters for the past 16/17 years of my life, maybe it’s because the match was just that fucking good lol. I don’t know. But I feel privileged to have seen it in person and it more than made my ticket worth the money. It was the culmination of my childhood, of the characters I have grown up with on TV and watched grow up and evolve too. This match will always hold a special place in my heart and it is, without a shadow of a doubt, THE match of the year for 2012.

~ ***** ~


Quick rankings:

10) Punk/Cena NOC - ****
9) Show/Sheamus HIAC - ****1/4
8) Bryan/Sheamus ER - ****1/4
7) Orton/Del Rio/Jericho/Sheamus OTL - ****1/4
6) Punk/Jericho ER - ****1/2
5) Trips/Lesnar SS - ****1/2
4) Shield/Hell No & Ryback - ****1/2
3) Punk/Bryan OTL - ****1/2
2) Cena/Lesnar ER - ****3/4
1) Taker/Trips WM - *****


Most overrated: Chris Jericho vs. CM Punk, Wrestlemania 28

Most underrated: Sheamus vs. Del Rio vs. Jericho vs. Orton, OTL

Exceeded Expectations: Randy Orton vs. Kane, Wrestlemania 28


Honourable Mention: The Rock vs. John Cena, Wrestlemania 28
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Wow the Bret Hart DVD looks really good. I haven't bought a WWE release from anywhere other than a book store I was too ashamed to leave without buying anything in like three years and I'd consider this one. A Misawa match on a WWE release. How 'bout that. I mean the match is kinda boring and Bret never learned how to not be boring in Japan but it's something to see. If that Buzz Sawyer match from 79 is the one I've seen then I hope everyone likes it b/c it's kinda awesome. If it's not the same one then YEY ANOTHER HART/SAWYER.
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Pre-ordered the Hart set. I do wish Final Four was on there but I'm happy with everything else that made it. Thumbs up to the Dynamite Kid, Perfect, Owen, Austin and Flair matches. KOK, I reviewed the Owen NHB match in the Classic Wrestling Review thread like a week or so ago.
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Great write-up, Starbuck. Don't agree with every pick but agree with most of it. Glad I'm not the only huge fan of that OTL 4 way.
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Looks like I need to watch that OTL 4-way.
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^didn't strike me as anything special at all
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I thought Shawn added so much to the match with his expressions and the emotion in his eyes. That moment where he was sat in the corner with his hand over his mouth, almost unable to continue reffing the carnage in front of him, little things like that really enhanced the match.

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On to the match itself, what can I say? It was like watching a movie play out for entire duration and thatís including the entrances and the aftermath. The 4 year Streak story arc is without a doubt the best handled storyline WWE has produced in a long time. Itís up there with the best of them if you ask me. From the Shawn/Taker matches at 25 and 26, to Taker retiring Shawn, to HHH making the challenge at 27, to Taker getting taken to the absolute limit in that match and in a way, getting defeated even though he got the victory, we all knew this was going to be a WAR and it was. It was brutal, it was vicious, it was uncaring, it was respect, it was friendship, it was vengeance, it was vindication, it was a spectacle and epitomizes what people go to Wrestlemania to see. It was 3 men (I included Shawn this time lol) taking 70,000 people in the palm of their hands and pulling every emotion out of us that they could.
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I'm going to watch Hogan/Warrior Wrestlemania VI. I know the historical importance of this match, but I have such bitter memories of their horrid Halloween Havoc match (shudder). Anything I should know/expect from the match?
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