[MachoMadness1988]

Originally Posted by Geolink

This week I got Backlash 2001 ($36) and King of the Ring 2001 ($25) both from eBay. Great prices 2bh.

Both in like new condition with the inserts. Won't find a good deal like that often.

Wow good prices for both of those PPVs. I bid on Backlash 2001 this week but it got too high. I wonder if you won the copy I was watching? Great PPV. The Angle/Benoit match is fantastic.

I have KOTR 2001 on VHS. Another solid PPV. I have been finding Judgement Day 2001 on dvd pretty cheap lately.

[-Mystery-]

At least **** for tonight's Punk/Henry match and like ****1/2 for their match the night after Mania.

[Brye]

Punk/Henry tonight was great. Crowd was awesome too.

[BGLWrestlingGod]

WWE WrestleMania XX

United States Championship: The Big Show vs. John Cena - *3/4

World Tag Titles: Booker T & Rob Van Dam vs. La Resistance vs. The Dudley Boyz vs. Garrison Cade & Mark Jindrack - **

Chris Jericho vs. Christian - ***1/2

The Rock 'n Sock Connection vs. Evolution - ***1/2

Playboy Evening Gown Match: Sable & Torrie Wilson vs. Stacy Keibler & Miss Jackie - DUD

Cruiserweight Open - **1/2

Brock Lesnar vs. Goldberg - DUD

WWE Tag Team Titles: Rikishi & Scotty 2 Hotty vs. The APA vs. The World's Greatest Tag Team vs. The Bashams - *3/4

Women's Title: Victoria vs. Molly Holly - *1/2

WWE Championship: Eddie Guerrero vs. Kurt Angle - ****

The Undertaker vs. Kane - **1/4

World Heavyweight Title: Triple H vs. Shawn Michaels vs. Chris Benoit - ****1/2


This event always leaves me so conflicted. There's so much good, and so much bad, and a lot in between. Show/Cena is an awful opener, only worthwhile as the launch of Cena. But it was also the first appearance of the SuperCena formula, which I remember hating even back in 2004. His matches used to be more back and forth.

Jericho/Christian is a sleeper, nothing but great chemistry there and a twist I honestly didn't see coming. RocknSock/Evolution is a ton of fun, and the CW open is better than I remember, but still way too fast.

The problem is that the show is BLOATED. It's nearly FIVE hours long, and has at least FOUR matches you could cut out. The two tag title matches and two divas matches are just bland filler. Even worse, after the handicap match, we get a divas match, the CW open, Goldberg/Lesnar, the WWE tag titles, and the Women's title...that might be the worst, saggiest mid-section for a show ever. I mean, the quality just dies.

Which leads me to Goldberg/Lesnar. In a nutshell, I anticipated this match from July '03. I brought it up as a possibility for WM, yelped when they crossed paths at Survivor Series that year, and was ridiculously hyped for the match.

Eight years later, it's still one of the worst matches of all time. 3 minutes of staring at each other, locking up and then seperating, double clothelines, a rest hold, and then hitting their finishers. All the potential this match had, and it has no energy, no psychology, no effort, nothing. This match is worse than awful, it's NOTHING. It's not even a real match.

The last hour of the show, though, is great. Amazing that after all that crap, there'd be such an improvement. Guerrero/Angle is a great title match; great technically, for the flying, the exchanges, and a classic finish. Still love this.

UT/Kane is worth it for the hugeness of UT's return, probably the greatest entrance of all time.

HHH/Benoit/HBK is still a classic. So many great stories going on: Benoit fighting to grab the brass ring, HBK and HHH trying to settle their feud, HBK and Benoit agreeing on one of them beating HHH, and all with great action. It's a great match with so many classic moments, including HHH stopping HBK from tapping out, the glance between them before they suplex Benoit through the table, Benoit coming out of nowhere to break up a pin, HBK superkicking Benoit while applying the sharpshooter, getting dumped out of the ring, and then Benoit countering the pedigree into a crossface. Even better, when HHH rolls out and the hold is still applied.

The ending is beautiful, however bittersweet it may be today.

I can understand why after this, WWE has had mostly 8-9 matches per WM. Can you imagine how much tighter this show would have been without the two tag titles matches, and the two divas matches. Plus, imagine if Goldberg/Lesnar were actually good, and this would have been one of the best ppvs of all time.

[MachoMadness1988]

I don't really get into star ratings but Punk V Henry was one of the best RAW matches in a long time and the best this year so far.

Great crowd today. Mad props to UK. Give them a damn PPV. Maybe the next Royal Rumble or Elimination Chamber?

[GEOLINK]

Originally Posted by MachoMadness1988

Wow good prices for both of those PPVs. I bid on Backlash 2001 this week but it got too high. I wonder if you won the copy I was watching? Great PPV. The Angle/Benoit match is fantastic.

I have KOTR 2001 on VHS. Another solid PPV. I have been finding Judgement Day 2001 on dvd pretty cheap lately.

This is the Backlash I won.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/390406329098...84.m1439.l2649

[Clique]

Originally Posted by -Mystery-

At least **** for tonight's Punk/Henry match and like ****1/2 for their match the night after Mania.

What is your opinion on the big three from WM28?

[Brye]

Lol'd at people in the Raw thread saying that crowd sucked.

[-Mystery-]

Originally Posted by Clique

What is your opinion on the big three from WM28?

Probably at least **** for Punk/Jericho (wouldn't disagree with anyone that says ***1/2 or ***3/4 though), Rock/Cena at least ***3/4 (again, wouldn't disagree with anyone that says ***1/2 or ****), and Taker/HHH at least ****1/4 (haven't re-watched it yet, but will probably go up once I do. Loved it, but gave me a feeling that the last 3 Taker Mania matches didn't; what do I rate that?)

[TJChurch]

I always agree the England crowds are good... Mainly because they don't get the shows (TV or house) as often as we do. Strangely enough, it seems the great crowds get them better-booked shows.

That said, my main thoughts after tonight's show...

1] I was shocked Cena's match was the main event, but no Lesnar involvement.

2] Speaking of Lesnar, thought it was interesting his video comments never mentioned the time he tried & failed to get in the NFL after he left the WWE.

3] Watching tape of Kane's remarks about family reunions from Friday strengthened my opinion that either he or Taker needs to get involved in the other's feud/storyline. WWE needs that kind of surprise right now.

4] We need to start a poll in these threads (like the one in the Diva thread) about WWE's biggest waste of time. Vickie, Brodus, Abraham Washington (or whatever he calls himself now),...