[Wrestlinfan35]

I know I may get a lot of flack for saying it, or I'll just be called a blind Punk mark. But I don't care. Both men were great, but CM Punk was on a whole other level. I don't think there's even any doubt.

I mean ffs, cookie puss? But that's besides the point. They made their point clear that the two are complete opposites. Promo one down, and so far they mesh extremely well together.

[Nostalgia]

Originally Posted by Saint Dick

Looks like Punk/Ryback might be the first match on my 2013 list. Was Cena/Ziggler good?

It was decent I guess, but the ending put a damper on things for me personally. Biggest display of super Cena I've seen in a while. He kicks out of Ziggler's first finisher the Zig-Zag, then he kicks out of Ziggler's Super Kick finisher (that he's been using lately) and then he kicked out of Big E's finisher when he came down and interfered, three finishers, only for Cena to get up and hit one finisher on Ziggler for the win. Bullshit, but typical Cena booking. Ziggler hasn't beat in Cena in a regular singles match before, but yet has lost in many to Cena, and they couldn't even let Ziggler get one win over him, not even a dirty win. I thought with AJ and Big E at ringside then maybe it could happen, but then when they got ejected I knew Ziggler was going to lose...

[Saint Dick]

Originally Posted by Nostalgia

It was decent I guess, but the ending put a damper on things for me personally. Biggest display of super Cena I've seen in a while. He kicks out of Ziggler's first finisher the Zig-Zag, then he kicks out of Ziggler's Super Kick finisher (that he's been using lately) and then he kicked out of Big E's finisher when he came down and interfered, three finishers, only for Cena to get up and hit one finisher on Ziggler for the win. Bullshit, but typical Cena booking. Ziggler hasn't beat in Cena in a regular singles match before, but yet has lost in many to Cena, and they couldn't even let Ziggler get one win over him, not even a dirty win. I thought with AJ and Big E at ringside then maybe it could happen, but then when they got ejected I knew Ziggler was going to lose...

I'll probably check it out along with Punk/Ryback. Don't think any of Ziggler's finishers are especially credible so I might not find the Super Cena stuff disgusting if the kickouts are spaced out and well timed.

[Nostalgia]

Originally Posted by Saint Dick

I'll probably check it out along with Punk/Ryback. Don't think any of Ziggler's finishers are especially credible so I might not find the Super Cena stuff disgusting if the kickouts are spaced out and well timed.

You should definitely check out Punk/Ryback, great TV match right there. Ziggler's recently been establishing the Super Kick as a credible finisher, he beat Orton clean with it at Survivor Series, he took out Cena at TLC with it, but they made it look bad tonight by having it not beat Cena even after multiple finishers. The finishers aren't really that spaced out either. Becomes a bit of a finisher fest at the end, but it's still a match worth checking out.

[Saint Dick]

Originally Posted by Nostalgia

You should definitely check out Punk/Ryback, great TV match right there. Ziggler's recently been establishing the Super Kick as a credible finisher, he beat Orton clean with it at Survivor Series, he took out Cena at TLC with it, but they made it look bad tonight by having it not beat Cena even after multiple finishers. The finishers aren't really that spaced out either. Becomes a bit of a finisher fest at the end, but it's still a match worth checking out.

I thought Orton kicked out of the superkick at Night of Champions. Maybe I'm remembering wrong. Ziggler might have missed the kick.

[Clique]

This Punk/Rock feud is already off to a great start and just may end up being better than Rock/Cena imo. Rock was good/intense (minus COOKIE PUSS even if the crowd ate it up) but Punk was completely brilliant I thought.

[Cobruh]

I am absolutely loving the Randy Orton DVD.

[ShowStopper '97]

Part of me thinks CM Punk watched tape of last years Rock/Cena feud (the same way a football player would watch game film to get ready for the next game) and made a conscious decision not to laugh and smirk after every Rock insult like Cena did last year. Punk standing still with a stern, serious look on his face as Rock went off on him was brilliant. And great job by the production crew to make sure they got a few different shots of Punk just standing there in the same spot the entire time with the same look on his face.

This is how you have a feud. Just little things like that. I'm pumped.

[Nostalgia]

Originally Posted by Saint Dick

Oh really? Never saw Ziggler/Orton from Survivor Series. Didn't they wrestle at another PPV too? TLC maybe? I seem to remember someone kicking out of Ziggler's superkick, thought it was Orton. Maybe Ziggler missed the kick.

It was a traditional Survivor Series match, in which it came down to Orton and Ziggler and Ziggler beat Orton cleanly to give his team the victory.

Here's the match. Watch from around 30:00 for the finish:




Ziggler properly debuted the Super Kick here as a finisher (he used the super kick on occasions before this, but not really as a finish to a match).

It was Ziggler vs Cena at TLC in a ladder match. After AJ pushed Cena off the ladder and turned on him, Ziggler dropped him with the Super Kick and climbed the ladder to retain his MITB briefcase to win.

That match is here. Around 25:40 for the finish:



Hope this helps.

Edit: Orton might of kicked out of the Super Kick at NOC, can't really remember, but as I say, Ziggler's Super kick became established at Survivor Series as a finisher for Ziggler after he beat Orton clean with it, before then it was just a occasional move of his that didn't win matches.

[Saint Dick]

Yeah I got confused. I remember Ziggler going for the kick against Orton at NoC and Orton won that match but I guess Ziggler missed. Bad memory.

Well that's shit then. Way too protect the guy's new finisher.