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Old 01-07-2013, 06:07 PM   #13461 (permalink)
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Canadian Stampede =

Only Bret match for me that's 5 is the Austin Mania match. Would be willing to watch some of the others in contention (vs Austin S. Series, vs Owen x2, Canadian Stampede, etc) to see if they hold up, though.
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Only Bret match for me that's 5 is the Austin Mania match. Would be willing to watch some of the others in contention (vs Austin S. Series, vs Owen x2, Canadian Stampede, etc) to see if they hold up, though.
the owen match from mania is still the best opener of all time imo
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Old 01-07-2013, 06:23 PM   #13464 (permalink)
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Curious to know how Punk/Cena HIAC would've been had it taken place.
It would of been better than Punk/Ryback from a match quality standpoint, but I didn't mind Punk/Ryback from HIAC honestly. I saw many people shitting on that match, probably just because of Ryback, but I thought the match was alright and it told a good story.
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Old 01-07-2013, 06:29 PM   #13465 (permalink)
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Ryback/Punk would have been a really great studio match in the territories, or even a really great RAW main event that had been built over a couple of weeks. They worked the story of Punk being a stooge and trying to last long enough through Ryback's power offence to find a counter and successfully managed to make Punk look resourceful and smart without forcing Ryback to have to sell too much. That being said despite the Cell working to keep Punk locked and within striking distance of the monster, a 10 minute HIAC match really undermines the concept after all that has preceeded it. I understand they were booked into a corner with Cena's injury, but this is where the gimmick PPVs really work against them (on top of the usual critiques). Punk/Ryback in a normal 1 on 1 match would have been a fine angle driven match, even if I highly doubt they could ever have a truly great match. The problem was the HIAC gimmick meant it had to be a Cell match albeit with minimal build and it being their first singles match, the story they were going for was just a complete opposite of what the HIAC match should be about.

Fine angle/story that otherwise would have been a serviceable match, but badly restricted by the HIAC gimmick and inability for one of them to go over the other in decisive fashion.
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Old 01-07-2013, 06:32 PM   #13466 (permalink)
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Punk/Ryback TLC tonight could be fun.
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Old 01-07-2013, 06:40 PM   #13468 (permalink)
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@WOOLCOCK I thought the cell worked because after weeks of Punk running from encounters with Ryback, he would trapped in a match with Ryback in a cell with no escape. They could of done a regular one-on-one match like you said, but Punk could of just run from that match like his other encounters. And I guess if they did it like that, with Punk escaping from his first match from Ryback, in might of made the build better, but on the other hand, another thing I liked about the Punk/Ryback feud was the mystique behind it. Their first encounter trapped inside a cell with Punk's title reign against Ryback's streak, that really drew me in to the feud, watching it live with my brother at the time, we were really on the edge of our seats, Punk retaining the title wasn't as certain as in some of his other feuds, and I enjoyed the match more than most did.
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Ehh I do see that argument, and it did feel like a far less violent take on Taker/HBK in the original HIAC with the coward running from the unstoppable monster. That being said I just think the way they worked the match, i.e a typical first match with some tentative exchanges and establising the unfamiliarity just lacked the violence and necessity of a Cell match. I think it would have potentially worked as a better match down the line, with Ryback more established than he was at the time. I guess to me it struck me more like the Henry/Bryan series from November last year on Smackdown which culminated in the Cage Match. It felt like a mini series and something that could build to something far greater (really wish they'd booked Bryan/Henry at Mania) and that was the same with Ryback/Punk. Fine match on its own, could have been a great angle driven match in between Punk's feud with Cena, but due to the length and the booking restraints it could never be anything more than a tease/preview of a longer match between them and for me that really made the Cell useless outside of the theme that Punk couldn't escape Ryback.

If they'd built the feud longer and given them more time to work a greater story and build convincing nearfalls then I'd agree with you. But you could tell from the pacing it felt more like a simpler match than a big title match and they seemed to be working something that would start a feud, rather than end it. I dunno how to explain it better, but it felt like one of those really interesting TV/studio matches where you're excited to see the cowardly champion try and escape a behemoth whose looked unstoppable, but a 10 minute match never really gave them the frame to work as good a story and utilise the Cell as they could have.
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Old 01-07-2013, 09:27 PM   #13470 (permalink)
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Punk V Ryback TLC ***1/2

Great tv match.
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