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post #13211 of 20566 (permalink) Old 01-03-2013, 12:02 PM
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Really hope we get Cena/Rock for the title and Lesnar taking on Undertaker for the streak. Hunter can stay this one out or have some random match to get another WM victory since he's starting to look like a WM jobber since he's only won 4 out of his 10 or something WM matches in the last decade.

Similar to how Lesnar/Hunter has the mixed feelings on it with the supporters that don't mind it happening again, I feel that way about Rock/Cena. Plus the thought of Cena possibly turning heel makes it exciting even though I know I set myself up for disappointment in this one.

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Read Brock's book the other day, and it seems like he pretty much loves everybody in the wrestling business but despises everything about backstage politics and on the road travelling. It was really interesting when he talked about what he felt were his best matches ;

The book is really WRESTLING heavy which makes it awesome automatically, but you can tell by reading it how much respect he has for guys like Taker (who he talks about like the locker room godfather) and how he feels Taker is essentially the greatest ever. He even talks about his respect for Ric Flair, even though he claims he never wants to be anything like Flair. FUCK, he dedicates a whole chapter expressing his love for Curt Hennig, what a great book.... Even though I know this isn't a BOOK FORUM (that would be hilarious) but I just needed to say that it's awesome.

Made me think about something ; Lesnar's most underrated match and Lesnar's most overrated match.
Lesnar is absolutely awesome. I really need to check out 2002 too so I can consider myself fully familiar with his entire career as I've watched everything from 03 and 04 as well as every single appearance last year.

Underrated: either vs Big Show at JD or vs Benoit at Smackdown. The latter would have probably gotten more attention if it was on PPV. Sucks they never officially got a real feud.

Overrated: Really don't know, maybe vs Angle at WM XIX. It was a great match and all, but I think SummerSlam was better and gets overlooked in WM's favor. The crowd was completely dead (understandable after the Hogan/Vince & Rock/Austin matches) and since Angle had a bad neck, they took it easy with a bit of restholds overkill.

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Read Jericho's second book in the same time-frame.... That guy is NEVER fucking happy with any of his matches it seems, unless it's an all-time classic. He refers to himself as basically being a TERRIBLE worker when it comes to the WWE style in 99 and 00 , and basically comes out and says that Hunter carried him in their Fully Loaded classic.

He fucking LOVES his matches with Rock, Hunter, and Benoit, and cites ROCK as being probably his best opponent in the WWE. Probably the most optimistic I've ever seen Benoit and his death portrayed since that horrible day, and I know Choke2Death would really enjoy reading about it.

Yeah, you're right about the HHH match... WHY DOES EVERYBODY HATE THAT SO MUCH... IT IS AN AWESOME MATCH YOU FUCKERS ... I just think that in this day in age it seems like everybody either hates Trips, or hates Brock's distinct style... Or both.
Jericho reminds me of myself. Every time I look back at something I've done in the past, I'm always like "damn, that sucks".

I also don't get it when it comes to his take on the Benoit tragedy. One interview you hear him say "How can you even watch his matches now?" then another minute, he's defending him.
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It's only a few more weeks until the bitching and complaining about Mania booking begins

In his book, Jericho portrays Benoit as a great man with a HORRIBLE few final days, as I believe he should be portrayed. Whenever he mentions a great Benoit match, Jericho writes in brackets 'it's a shame that this match doesn't actually exist'. The parallel nature of both Benoit's and Eddie's deaths are pointed out, about how Eddie went from the bottom to the top to end his career, while Benoit nosedived about as far as you could nosedive. Two best friends dying, with opposite memories of both.

It's a shame, because Benoit was one of those special workers that only comes along once in a lifetime. Fuck, they put him in the newest WWE Encyclopedia, so maybe they'll become more open to Benoit matches on DVD in the future. We need his matches vs Austin, Trips, and the 2MPT tag on DVD right fucking now.





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It's only a few more weeks until the bitching and complaining about Mania booking begins

In his book, Jericho portrays Benoit as a great man with a HORRIBLE few final days, as I believe he should be portrayed. Whenever he mentions a great Benoit match, Jericho writes in brackets 'it's a shame that this match doesn't actually exist'. The parallel nature of both Benoit's and Eddie's deaths are pointed out, about how Eddie went from the bottom to the top to end his career, while Benoit nosedived about as far as you could nosedive. Two best friends dying, with opposite memories of both.

It's a shame, because Benoit was one of those special workers that only comes along once in a lifetime. Fuck, they put him in the newest WWE Encyclopedia, so maybe they'll become more open to Benoit matches on DVD in the future. We need his matches vs Austin, Trips, and the 2MPT tag on DVD right fucking now.
The encyclopedia entry was absolutely awesome. Even though I didn't notice anything new on there, it's almost a full page now whereas the first one back in 2008/09 was not even half a page. Happy they've done that, because he deserves it. Although the WWE.com site still kills me every time I read an article they put up about the past and completely ignore anything involving Benoit. Their recent article is on New Year's Revolution and for 2005, they only put up that stupid Lita/Trish match that got cut short with Lita's knee injury while not even featuring a sample video of the chamber at least after Benoit was out. (and he was one of the first guys eliminated) The worst of them has to be the "history guide" on the US Championship where they completely skip all the years where Benoit was involved in the scene.

One thing I like about this thread is the fact that I can discuss Benoit's matches and career without some jackass going "this scumbag killed his family, fuck his wrestling career".
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NO MERCY 2007

Orton(c) vs HHH wwe title match : Good match. Well executed. ***

Hardy/Kendrick/London vs Kennedy/Cade/Murdoch : the 2 last minutes are fun.**

CM Punk(c) vs Big Daddy V ECW title match : 2 min match. 1/2 *

HHH vs Umaga Wwe title match : Not really good but it's here to prepare the LMS match later. Umaga is working on HHH ribs. **

Rey vs Finlay : Good pace, good match. Strange ending but the feud continues. ***

Batista vs khali WHC match (punjabi prison) : The punjabi prison match is a weird gimmick match but it's okay. Batista's jump at the end adds 1/2*. So **1/2

HHH(c) vs Orton wwe title match (LMS) : I don't like LMS matches because i love crazy kickouts but this one is awesome. The first part is about HHH bad ribs, and his selling is great. Then the match becomes very brutal with nice spots. HHH destroys Orton's head with a steelstep shot(it's a must see). Great great moves from both guys and great selling. The final rko is a beauty. **** 1/4
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Re: Official DVD/Match/Show Discussion Thread

There should be a clear separation between Benoit the worker and Benoit the man in his final few days. None of us knew him personally so can only go by what others say in interviews, which seems to be he was a loner albeit a man no-one thought capable of what he ultimately did. I can understand why people don't look at his matches the same, and truth be told to an extent there's a part of me that thinks that even when watching a Benoit match these days. That being said, it doesn't make his offence bad, his good selling doesn't suddenly become terrible and his overall advantages as a worker should be recognised and only critiqued objectively if people find weaknesses without pointing to his suicide.

I don't blame WWE for not putting him on DVDs etc. There's enough trivial moaning on social media these days without WWE having to stomach a media shitstorm if people started saying they were cashing in on a killer. Benoit's work is known to those before him and easily accessible for younger people especially with online forums. In today's WWE he's irrelevant from a storyline/archive perspective and WWE don't need bad press by including him in packages/DVDs when it isn't terribly needed. It is a shame a lot of his work will go amiss to a new generation of fans, but such is life and the unfortunate actions on his part before his death sadly make it impossible for WWE to ever promote him in any manner.
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And speaking of Benoit, watched the 04 Rumble last night. Its still fantastic. Benoit lasting from #1 to win it, Show being booked like a legit threat in the match which made Benoit's elimination of him that much better, Undertaker's GONG getting one of the biggest pops of the night, Nunzio avoiding entering the ring, FOLEY attacking Test and stealing his spot so he can destroy Orton, Goldberg spearing the fuck out of everyone (mainly Nunzio lol) then having Lesnar F-5 him causing him to be eliminated, and probably some other highlights I'm forgetting. All in all a tremendous Rumble. Might not actually make my top 5 Rumble matches, but that's because I just fucking adore the RR in general and really fucking like a lot of them.



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As it stands right now we AREN'T getting Taker/Brock, Brock/HHH or Cena/Rock II. Heck, as it stands right now, we don't even know who's going to the main event after winning the rumble. Jesus, I swear, some of you really do know how to take the fun out of this shit with all this speculating bullshit. Whatever happened to just sitting back and watching all unfold before your eyes?

Also, why would anyone in their right mind want to see Cena/Rock II? Wasn't the first enough? Haven't they disappointed us enough? Do we really want 3 months of "You beat me the last time, but I will never give up! 10 years!!" "Monkey-ass candy-ass bitch, I will layeth the smackdown on your candy-ass again!" "10 years!!!! Never give up!!!"

And wouldn't Cena/Rock II kind of defeat the purpose of Once In A Lifetime? And all the bs marketing spent on Once In A Lifetime?

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I love HHH about as much as anyone on this forum, but I really don't want to see HHH/Lesnar at Mania. I think it'd be an awesome match, especially on that big of a stage, but it's all but confirmed that HHH would go over. If Lesnar doesn't re-sign after Mania, I guess it doesn't really matter. Then again, if he loses he might as well not re-sign because his heat would be gone.





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Had WWE not do the cumshot first and then try to go backwards, Cena/Lesnar II (III) would be more intriguing than Brock/Trips or Taker/Brock. But it makes no sense having a face win and then the heel coming back with a vengeance and winning. I know there are some that would welcome the idea but to me, it's ass-backwards booking.

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In all fairness ; Rock's going to be belting out that nonsense no matter WHO HE IS FEUDING WITH. If it's Punk, it's gonna be "#WALRUSPARTS TRENDING, CM BITCH" or some ridiculous line like that, if it's Cena, we're gonna get the same "Kung Pow Bitch" shenanigans we got in their horrendous feud from earlier this year. If it's Lesnar, it's gonna be some kind of Gorilla insult with Rock making a bunch of childish noises and sound effects.

It's still better than Ryback





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