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Old 01-01-2013, 12:53 PM   #13041 (permalink)
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They sound like late 99 stuff to me. That's when X-Pac and Tori got together, and I've rewatched 2000 and definitely don't remember that lol. The Kane thing could have happened any time in 99 though, but Taka and Funaki were pretty much JUST a comedy act by late 99 and again I don't remember it from 2000 .
Hmm, well then guess I'll have to keep watching. I thought it was 2000 though but clearly it's not. Maybe '01?

Speaking of Funaki, whatever happened to Kung Fu Naki?!?!? Always wanted to see Kung Fu Naki vs Santino. Would have been one awesome match.

Honestly, for the 20th anniversary I'd mark if he returns.
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Old 01-01-2013, 01:20 PM   #13042 (permalink)
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Lesnar/HHH was a massive disappointment.
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The reason why 1999 was such a successful year and is held in high regard is not because of the quality of wrestling, but the characters.

Look at 2012 for example. There were many great matches, some even classics, and we were always treated to at least one good TV match a week. But the characters themselves have been dogshit for the most part. Ziggler has just recently found an identity, Kofi is still a happy Jamaican with no direction, nobody gave a shit about Daniel Bryan (except for smarks) until he found a catchphrase, etc.

The thing with 1999 is that EVERYONE had a storyline. Whether it was main eventers like The Rock and Stone Cold or freaking referees and Godfather's hos, everyone had a reason to be there.

You can't watch 1999 if you are looking for good wrestling. 1999 is a year of swerves, raunchy storylines, and larger than life gimmicks.
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1999 was entertaining as hell, but seriously, some of the stuff they pulled off was utterly ridiculous.

- The 'sacrifice' of Dennis Knight to become Mideon.
- Mae Young giving birth to a hand.
- The Hardcore Evening Gown Match with Patterson vs. Brisco.
- Godfather's Ho winning the Hardcore Title.
- Vince McMahon winning the WORLD Title.

Pretty sure there's more but my brain isn't operating too well at the moment. Pure ..... right there. I fucking LOVED The Ministry though, but didn't like the way the Corporate Ministry ended.
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It was more of a soap opera than it is now. Back then though, soap operas were the shit. Crash TV, was THE SHIT. It's a different time. I have no doubt you could put THOSE characters in today's TV in today's climate and there is no way it would come off as successful without people moaning, complaining etc.
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The reason why 1999 was such a successful year and is held in high regard is not because of the quality of wrestling, but the characters.

Look at 2012 for example. There were many great matches, some even classics, and we were always treated to at least one good TV match a week. But the characters themselves have been dogshit for the most part. Ziggler has just recently found an identity, Kofi is still a happy Jamaican with no direction, nobody gave a shit about Daniel Bryan (except for smarks) until he found a catchphrase, etc.

The thing with 1999 is that EVERYONE had a storyline. Whether it was main eventers like The Rock and Stone Cold or freaking referees and Godfather's hos, everyone had a reason to be there.

You can't watch 1999 if you are looking for good wrestling. 1999 is a year of swerves, raunchy storylines, and larger than life gimmicks.
Oh i wasn't watching it for the wrestling. I was watching it for the storylines, which are dogshit. I mean, not everything is bad but there's a lot of awful shit as well. And the swerves are ridiculous. A lot of times they were just swerves for swerving's and in the long-run it served no purpose.

EVERYONE had a storyline, yes. Were they good? Hell no.

Not to mention the booking is just all over the damn place and midcard guys just seem to feud with each other for no reason. One minute Midcard A guy is attacking Midcard B guy, then for some reason Midcard B guy decides to attack Midcard C guy. The booking is all over the damn place.

After watching '99, it pretty much confirms that the Attitude Era just cannot work in these times.
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It was more of a soap opera than it is now. Back then though, soap operas were the shit. Crash TV, was THE SHIT. It's a different time. I have no doubt you could put THOSE characters in today's TV in today's climate and there is no way it would come off as successful without people moaning, complaining etc.
Yeah absolutely. Popular culture was all about being risque and vulgar in those days due to the increase of the internet and people not being afraid to speak their minds. It was also entertaining simply because these things had never been done before. ..... left at the right time because it simply reached it's selling point at that stage, I'd hate to think what WWE would have been like if he had stayed.

Nowadays WWE is too clean cut and high-definition. Everything comes off all pristine and polished. Needs a bit more grime and dirt to give it some character.
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Old 01-01-2013, 02:09 PM   #13048 (permalink)
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When ranking Summerslam main events , I'd easily put it in the upper tier... Top 5-10 Summerslam main events anyone (we love to rank Wrestlemania Main Events, why not the second biggest PPV of the year?) ?

**** 1/2 Tier

1. Punk-Cena SS 11
2. Edge-Taker SS 08
3. Lesnar-HHH SS 12
4. Bret-Bulldog SS 92

****-**** 1/4 Tier
5. Rock-Lesnar SS 02
6. Benoit-Orton SS 04
7. Michaels-Vader SS 97
8. Punk-Hardy SS 09
9. Hart-Taker SS 97
10. Team Nexus-Team WWE SS 10

Summerslam has has WAAAAYYYY more consistent main events in this era than any other PPV IMO. I'd argue that Summerslam has been at it's best in the PG era and that it isn't even close actually. 08-12 has been a hot streak of **** main events that I hope will continue at this year's Summerslam.
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1999 was by far the "worst" of the Attitude era. The only thing I'll give that year credit for was that pretty much everybody had a storyline and was involved on the shows in some way. Which is good. But the in ring product was nothing great. Also, when you see what WCW was putting on the air in 1999, almost anything the other company does looks much better by default. WCW in 1999 was pretty horrendous.

Also, the years sandwiching 1999 were all very good years for the product. 1997, 1998, and 2000 were all fantastic years. So, as a fan, it makes it easier to stomach 1999 with 3 other very good to great years sandwiching 1999. One low quality year and 3 high quality years out of a 4 year period is something I think any wrestling fan would sign up for, especially when 97, 98, and 2000 were as great as they were.
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Yeah absolutely. Popular culture was all about being risque and vulgar in those days due to the increase of the internet and people not being afraid to speak their minds. It was also entertaining simply because these things had never been done before. ..... left at the right time because it simply reached it's selling point at that stage, I'd hate to think what WWE would have been like if he had stayed.

Nowadays WWE is too clean cut and high-definition. Everything comes off all pristine and polished. Needs a bit more grime and dirt to give it some character.
Spot on.

It's all high-definition, bright and vibrant and clean clut because a lot of it is like that in the real life nowadays. You've seen fashion, you've seen the music in the times we live in right now, the WWE are just part of that culture right now.

I just get the feeling that if you give the WWE more grime and dirt, they will start to lose viewers because that isn't what this generation is about, despite us fans on the internet liking and respecting the decision a lot more.
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