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Old 12-30-2012, 02:22 PM   #12951 (permalink)
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Speaking on the topic of Randy Orton:



"Follow the IC Champ, we're going for a walk"
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Speaking on the topic of Randy Orton:



"Follow the IC Champ, we're going for a walk"
Classic!

I saw it for the first time 2 years ago when I downloaded a 2004 RAW and PPV pack. The promo by itself is fantastic but when you know the events leading up to it, damn! Then it really sinks in. Orton was HUGE in from the end of '03 (when Legend Killer all started) to '04. I haven't seen his '05 work but I found his '6 work to be great as well. Hey, when Orton got drafted to RAW in '06 didn't he debut as babyface?
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Royal Rumble 2005


--Shawn Michaels vs Edge ★ ★ 3/4
Somebody interrupting an entrance, awesome start. This match for some reason feels like its taking place in 1995 instead of 2005, its got an old school feel to it. Its pretty slow paced, Edge got in a lot of offense early, some of which was fairly basic but nice. Edge-O-Matic on the floor and hurricanrana counter into a powerbomb by Edge.. HBK busting out the Polish Hammer during his comeback.. nice move there.


Edge hits 2 spears (one on the floor the other in the ring) but HBK kicks out (WHY?!?!?!?!). Later on, HBK fires up but the SCM is reversed into an electric chair drop (sloppy but okay counter). The Edgecution submission hold applied (man I haven't seen this move in ages), the finish comes with pinfall reversals and some cheap rope holding by Edge, not a bad finish. Pretty standard match here, glad Edge went over but 2 spears?! C'mon bruh that's ridiculous. I miss cheap heel finishes.


--Casket Match: Undertaker vs Heidenreich ★ ★ 3/4 I'm probably one of the biggest Undertaker marks of all time but I hate how formulaic Casket Match story lines are. The heel pretends that the casket is the scariest object ever and its usually waaaaay over-sold, I love the gimmick but hate how overused fear is in the story lines. I forgotten how Psycho Sid-ish Heidenreich used to be. Jesus I damn near thought he was Sid at first. Opening commentary over now.

Undertaker busting out arm drags and hip tosses...I lol'd. This is way too close to an actual wrestling match early on as Undertaker schools Heidenreich with wrestling holds. Heidenreich's pitty pat jabs are also funny, I love the MMA gloves though, nice touch. Excellent triangle chokehold in the corner from Taker, man this surprising from an actual wrestling perspective.


The match picked up after the run-ins and the action fine, a little formulaic with the heel run-in and the subsequent Kane appearance but not a bad contest overall.


WWE Championship: JBL (c) vs Big Show vs Kurt Angle ★ ★ 3/4 I hate triple threat matches....I also hate Big Show but I do love me some Kurt Angle and JBL is probably the best heel of the last decade (2000-2010) and I haven't seen this match in awhile so I'll be open minded but much wasn't expected.


WHY IS JBL JUMPING IN THE AIR?! A cool spot with Show catching Bradshaw into a body slam. Big Show dominant as usual over the other two until another good spot of Show crashing through a table after being blasted in the head with a TV monitor...getting the a man out of the match for awhile is pretty standard however.


Liking the JBL/Angle exchange. Angle is intense and Bradshaw is stiff meaning they both are within their element. But when Show returns he begins dominating again...until the double team Clothesline From Hell + sweep combo (good spot). Big Show is really getting over in this match...Chokeslamming and then spearing Bradshaw through the barricade. JBL is eliminated for the time being. Then the Cabinet run-in takes place to break up the Show/Angle action and they take out Show temporarily, JBL regains composure, CFH, JBL wins!


Big Show looked extremely strong in this match (obviously to set up a rematch) but Angle seemed like fodder and an unnecessary component to the match. It was okay for what it was I suppose, had some good spots and never really bored me.

World Heavyweight Championship: Triple H (c) vs Randy Orton ★ ★ ★ 1/4 Fairly standard match, started out quick paced with Orton in cortrol but after the RKO reversal spot it slowed down considerably as H took over. H working on the legs until Orton fires up and starts giving him the business. Nice combination in the corner and a beautiful powerslam from Orton. Orton's momentum stopped a few times only for him to regain control. A high knee (vintage H!) into a nearfall.


"This match is better than I remember it being so far"...is what I was thinking while Orton was kicking H's ass in that corner but after the DDT reversal and the "cobwebs" in Randy's head got him moving sluggishly and looking off in the distance. Great body language and facials from Randy, really progressing the story-line of the match. HHH delivers a vicious clothesline which Randy sells like he got hit by a train, leads to a pedigree and that's a wrap.


I have mixed feelings about this match. Taking it for what it was, it was enjoyable. Good psychology, well worked. HHH looked vicious but also incredibly lucky. However as a blowoff match to a feud of this length it sucks. Orton losing decisively was needed to end it but the freak "head injury" that takes Randy out and makes it easy for H to win almost sets up another match.

Royal Rumble Match ★ ★ ★
This joint starts out with a gotdamn bang! #1 Eddie Guerrero vs #2 Chris Benoit. Man these guys are great and they have a very fun and intense exchange, you almost hate that some other guy is coming out next...especially just as its getting good.


Several jobbers come out, get decimated and eliminated. Notable names like Edge & Rey Mysterio come out. Rey comes in and quickly takes care of the Japanese problem only to get an epic backbreaker to break his momentum. The ring getting a little full with Jericho, Booker, and Benjamin all joining the party. The two groups split into SD vs Raw and collide to the roar of the crowd. Muhammad Hassan makes his entrance....gets jumped by everybody and tossed out in an epic Royal Rumble moment (**** rumble moment).


Several more jobbers come out to no fanfare. Let me take this time to mention that I love Rene' Dupree's theme music, its actually pretty awesome even if the guy himself is total bunk. Shelton is tossed by Edge after leaping to the top rope...for no reason. Simon Dean is out there now....dude is funny. He doing squats lol...Eddie is tossed...BOOOOOOOOOO!!! The GOAT is next at #19 and rids us of the comedic jobber Simon Dean. Huge Eddie chants as he leaves (well deserved).


Kurt Angle comes in and business picks up. He's destroying people! This is great...until he catches that SCM and over the top rope goes Angle (BOOOOOOOO!!!). I can't believe Rene is still in there and Angle is already out but thankfully for us Angle comes back and wrecks Shawn Michaels with some steel steps...the anger can be felt through the screen. Angle is intense as fuck (**** rumble moment)!


Viscera and Paul London come out, a side note is that Paul London looks like an anime character. John Cena (Ruck Fules John Cena) makes an appearance and comes in running into people (they called them shoulder tackles) and eliminates Big Vis single handed. Snitzky comes in and clothesline London who does a shooting star press into the floor and is out (***** star rumble moment).


Batista makes his way to the ring and handles Snitzky then puts DAT powerbomb on Kane (YAAY). Shortly thereafter Jericho is tossed out (BOOOO) by Batista. Christian comes in after Cena. Cena "FUs" Kane out the ring (man Kane put over alotta guys). The Nature Boy (WOOOO) is our final contestant to enter.


Maaaaaaan Batista puts that DAT spinebuster on Benoit and chucks him out (BOOOOOOOO!!!) Flair tries to eliminate Batista but couldn't summon enough strength to get Batista to move his feet.

Final four time: Edge, Rey-Rey, John Boy & Batista (all future Rumble winners...go figure). Rey eats a spear and is eliminated (BOOOO!). Edge gets tossed and we are down to two!


Cena is a strong boy, he carried Batista on his shoulders for awhile catching elbows. Batista reverses, tries to powerbomb him and carelessly tumbles over the top eliminating them both.


Chicanery ensures with RAW & SD referees being biased and picking their guy to win and here comes the boss, Vinnie Mac who immediately blows out his knees getting into the ring(LOL ***** star rumble moment). Cena & Batista trade throwing each other out. Vince restarts the match. Batista destroys Cena and Cena is out (YAAAAAAAY!!!)


The booking of this match made no sense at the end. The false controversy broke the momentum of the match unnecessarily. Everything else was done pretty well, of course I could complain about methods of elimination and how long certain guys were in there but I feel like it all worked out in the end.
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Well I haven't seen this event in a long time. I enjoyed it, nothing absolutely must see but there were some great rumble moments that enhanced the quality of that particular match.
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Old 12-30-2012, 02:33 PM   #12954 (permalink)
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How the hell can you hate on Triple Threat matches? When done right, they can produce GOAT level results like Rock/Angle/Taker or Benoit/HHH/HBK or even Edge/HHH/Cena. HUGE fan of Triple Threat matches. They need to done much more in the WWE IMO, and I'm hoping to death that they have a title match at Mania be a triple threat for a change. They need to be much more fast paced is all, unlike Cena/Orton/HHH from WrestleMania 24.
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Old 12-30-2012, 02:49 PM   #12955 (permalink)
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One guy always seems to just be in the match to take the fall. HHH/HBK/Benoit was an epic match but mostly because of the atmosphere and the finish. I'm sure HHH/Benoit or HBK/Benoit could have gotten that same pop and brought the same reaction.


I'm more of a one on one match guy. Fatal four ways are cool but triple threat matches are mundane. I'm not about 3rd wheel feuds, and one guy is always the 3rd wheel.
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Old 12-30-2012, 03:38 PM   #12956 (permalink)
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Only because they book it to be. It doesn't have to be that way. I agree with you on the third wheel thing, Kurt Angle was the third wheel in Rock/Angle/Taker and HBK was the third wheel in HHH/Benoit/HBK, but it doesn't have to be like that.
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I LOVE that RR 05 triple threat. ***3/4 for it from me. Not the biggest fan of triple threats in general though, as for the most part they just have the same old boring formula of 2 guys fighting with one on the outside for a stupid amount of time after taking a move that they would normally get right up from in a singles match. Then the guy on the outside comes in, someone else gets taken out, leaving a different pairing in the ring to wrestling. Rinse and repeat until the finishing stretch.
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Of course, it helps that the first WrestleMania main-event I ever watched was HHH/HBK/Benoit as well

I'm assuming my opinion would differ greatly as well had it not have been the first high profile match I ever watched.
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I don't like three-ways either. Some are done all right, like the Trip/Edge/Benoit match on 11/04 Raw was a funnish spotfest sort of match with all three guys usually in the ring, the Trip/Angle/Rock match from 6/00 Raw was basically a contest of who can do a better job beating the shit out of Kurt Angle, the WMXX and Survivor Series 09 main events had guys wiped out with the announce table, etc. A lot of them, though, are so shitty with their 'I roll out, you roll in' stuff and so much of it looks too contrived.
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One guy always seems to just be in the match to take the fall. HHH/HBK/Benoit was an epic match but mostly because of the atmosphere and the finish. I'm sure HHH/Benoit or HBK/Benoit could have gotten that same pop and brought the same reaction.
Except no one really was the third wheel in that match. HHH was the champion and HBK was feuding with him for months prior. And then you have Benoit who won the Rumble.
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