[Choke2Death]

Orton needs direction. Ever since his feud with Mark Henry ended, he's just been put in those pointless "feuds" that start over absolutely nothing. He had a Survivor Series 5-on-5 match with Wade Barrett last year and there was not even an explanation as to why. Then they had them wrestle almost weekly on Raw, Smackdown and PPV until he took a month off at the start of the year for some personal shit. He then came back and got a concussion before Elimination Chamber and then he had that stupid Kane feud over a handshake. He looked like he was going to have another direction with the Jericho feud before both got suspended. Since his return, he's done absolutely fuck-all, though. Other than wrestling Barrett, Ziggler and Del Rio in random matches that is.

Really hope next year will be something better for him. Orton's lack of direction is just one of many reasons why 2012 is my #1 contender for the worst year in WWE history.

[Duke Silver]

I really don't know what's happened to Orton. He was a somewhat charismatic guy back in 2004. I honestly think he's regressed in every single department since then. Less charismatic, worse look, predictable matches, deteriorating mic skills, bad booking. I don't know whether that's down to the WWE, Orton or just circumstance, but for a guy that's cemented as a top star and quality worker, he sure has a lot working against him.

A gimmick change wouldn't hurt. Why can't WWE ever pull off a babyface? They take the most over heels and make them into unbearable faces (Orton, Punk, Miz).

[sharkboy22]

I really don't want to get into an argument over whether or not 2012 is the worst year, especially when there was a year called two thousand and fucking nine.

[Callamus]

2009 was mostly awesome. Just Raw that blew for the most part.

[sharkboy22]

Originally Posted by KingCal

2009 was mostly awesome. Just Raw that blew for the most part.

Of course it's a well known fact that SD was awesome in 2009 while RAW was total balls.

2012 both RAW and SD were good imo. I also found that SD really stepped up their game when they started the whole Big Show/Sheamus storyline.

[The Beast Incarnate]

Orton's biggest problem was nailed by Choke2Death, he hasn't really been in a legitimate feud since his big time feud with Mark Henry. Orton at the moment has no direction with his character, and I feel that is hurting my investment in his matches recently as he just seems like another one of the bland guys that WWE is throwing at us lately.

I was talking to my friend about Orton the other day and we got into a very interesting discussion. He pointed out the fact that it seemed like Randy's position with the company hadn't changed at all since he won the belt the first time, and in terms of "getting over" , Orton had been given more world titles undeservedly than any other champion in history. As an Orton fan, I'd actually come out and agree with this statement wholeheartedly.

Randy's in-ring work has become more consistent now, but his character has really been suffering since he changed up his look and his theme song (his BETTER one ) in 2008. Randy has never really had that big "OMG MADE" moment like a killer promo or that one big ***** match to make him an all time great, which is why sadly he'll be stuck a few tiers below (despite what WWE may tell you) when it's all said and done.

Orton's almost like a poor-man's HBK in a sense that when he stopped incorporating his real life tendencies into his work (I.E. being a cocky asshole who believed he could sleep with any woman, beat anybody, be on top of the world, etc) he became stagnant as a character, and to try to build ORTON of all people into a serious "viper" , an individual who dissects people.... Just never ever seemed believeable to me.

For the record, I think Orton works MUCH better as a face with his current gimmick.

[Wig Splitter]

Let's just point to the elephant in the room - Orton needs to turn heel.

[Callamus]

Watching the 2012 RR Match since I got it on Bluray, and while watching it I came up with an idea for a RR video I wanna make. Unfortunately I would need to watch HHH/Steiner for part of it .

The amount of nobodies and jobbers that enter the RR match in the early going is insane. Miz, Riley, Truth, Santino, Kidd, Epico, Primo, Ricardo (though I did mark for his appearance), Kofi, Khali, Jinder Mahawful... urgh. I think the only people worth a damn that entered during that time were Cody and Foley. No wonder I'm not a fan of the match .

[SmokeAndMirrors]

Got a chance to watch Punk's DVD finally. The documentary was as good as people made it out to be. Very in-depth stuff about his rise to stardom in WWE, and all the backstage struggles that came with it. You also find out a lot about Punk as a person and his lifestyle outside the ring. A must watch.

[Jack Evans 187]

Originally Posted by JoeRulz

Punk/Cena MITB ****1/4. SummerSlam too.

OH MY GOD. I didn't know there was anyone else besides me & Seabs who don't think the MITB match is the GOAT. I haven't seen it since it aired but I went **** 1/4 as well, but we'll see what happens on a rewatch. Couldn't see me going higher than **** 1/2.