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Old 12-25-2012, 12:09 AM   #12641 (permalink)
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I just meant about that one particular match. Not the whole show. But don't go by me. Watch a show from Classics on Demand and compare it to today and it's not the same. There's a reason why they pipe in crowd noise on Smackdown every. single. week. The same thing they used to blast WCW for every week, hahaha. Things truly have come full circle for 'ol Vince.
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Why do people keep saying Bryan is being handled badly? Because he isn't in the main event picture and acting serious enough?

YES/no D-Bryan> whatever the hell he was dong before.

Wrestling is all about getting DAT REACTION and I noticed D-Bryan became a huge hit when he first turned heel round this time last year.

Look at Dusty Rhodes. I'm sure most fans were syaing "Man look at how the WWE is treating Dusty! Just fucking him over with his stupid polka dotted panties" but shit, it got over. As a wrestler GETTING OVER is what counts. You in-ring talent doesn't mean jack shit. I don't care if you can wrestle 60 minutes. What's the point in being able to wrestle 60 minutes when I could care less to see you see wrestle 60 minutes. You have to get me to care about you wrestling for 60 minutes. It's the reason why guys like Lance Storm and Dean Malenko never gotten over past a certain audience. They were extremely dry in the character department.

And I always say, it's better to be over and not be champion than it is to be champion and not over. D-Bryan is fine where he is, if you ask me. I don't think they're mistreating or misusing him at all. They simply struck gold with an idea and they're running it. Besides, it looks like Daniel Bryan is having fun with his shtick.
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Nobody is even comparing eras. b/c you can't. Weren't you reading anything that people were posting? Of course those crowds were hotter. The entire product/biz was hotter. Smackdown has been piping in reactions since 2000 so yeah. It's always been annoying.
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Huh? We were all just talking about past eras. Couple of people said they enjoyed the New Generation, couple said the Attitude Era had some clunkers..

But yeah, all of this from me just turning Raw on for a couple of seconds, haha. Good discussion, which is what this site is about.

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Oh come on dude. Please, tell me you didn't just claim that show to have a great crowd but not b/c it had with anything to do with the fans wanting to enjoy the product. DOLPH was mega-over. Doubt he'd be mega over if the fans only wanted Cena to lose and had no personal investment in anything else.

They were into the event.
This, this and this.

The crowd was just into the entire event, not just that one match. Besides, who doesn't like Dolph? Whether it's Orton, Sheamus or Cena the guy always gets a tremendous reaction from the crowd.

And the whole idea of the crowd cheering Dolph because they wanted to see Cena lose....well that is true. Why else do you cheer someone? You want to see them win. I think that proves just how much the fans are into the current product and its roster. It could have been Orton in there and they still would have cheered Ziggler. Cena in the match had nothing to do it.
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To me the positives will always far outweigh the negatives.
I can't jump on board with this statement. At least not for WWE in 2012. Or in the last let's say three years. I know for a fact I will never go back and watch weekly episodes of Raw and Smackdown from 2010-2012 for sure like I've re-watched WWF & WCW from 1996 coming up to WWF 1999 on WWE Classics On Demand. Sure I grew up with that era, but what about 1988 NWA World Championship Wrestling? Easily watchable with compelling characters and angles, and I can appreciate looking into that particular product. Get emotionally invested in that but I can't for WWE these days other than WrestleMania season.

The WWE isn't lacking in good-great in-ring talent, but I want character progression in the main angles of the show that lead up to matches that feel grand on an importance & emotional level. Comparatively speaking, Punk/Jericho WM match is a better wrestling match than let's say Savage/Warrior WM match but the scale the latter match was on because of the characters and the delivery put it on an almost astronomical level. I'll give credit to Punk/Jericho for having a great match. I was at ringside to witness it but that's not one of those matches that "legends are made of." It's just not. I'm not trying to slight that match but WWE product as a whole has lost a bit of its skill for creating the larger than life effect for the fan. And this is not just coming from a guy who just became an adult wrestling fan a few years ago because I know people who were adults in the 80s that notice the lack of characters and the lack of interest to draw them into the product on a weekly basis.

WWE for the most part still knows how to hype up a WrestleMania and that's fine but I also want the life in the creative writers to produce more consistently good TV. I still enjoy watching WWE but it just is not the same. It comes in individual moments and matches now opposed to looking forward to the entire product. Even the cheese because there will always be cheese in wrestling. Wrestling should be fun, emotional, intense and even a bit wacky at times.
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Huh? We were all just talking about past eras. Couple of people said they enjoyed the New Generation, couple said the Attitude Era had some clunkers..

But yeah, all of this from me just turning Raw on for a couple of seconds, haha. Good discussion, which is what this site is about.

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You said watch a show from back in the day - aka those two eras - and compared them to now. It's impossible to do that b/c they are much different times. It's an obvious notion that the crowds were hotter back then. Which prompted me to say it's not a surprise b/c the biz was hotter in general around the time. Wrestling is in that time where it isn't "cool" atm. It's gonna suffer. Now the product isn't that grand, but it's got it's high points. Enough to make the crowd still want to react.

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The crowd was just into the entire event, not just that one match. Besides, who doesn't like Dolph? Whether it's Orton, Sheamus or Cena the guy always gets a tremendous reaction from the crowd.

And the whole idea of the crowd cheering Dolph because they wanted to see Cena lose....well that is true. Why else do you cheer someone? You want to see them win. I think that proves just how much the fans are into the current product and its roster. It could have been Orton in there and they still would have cheered Ziggler. Cena in the match had nothing to do it.
I had that same conversation in the chatbox one night. If people simply wanted Cena to lose then you'd only hear Cena sucks chants. Not a major chant or approval for the opponent. It's to say if it was Kofi Kingston vs Sin Cara for the intercontinental championship. I'd boo the hell out of Cara, but I sure as hell wouldn't be rooting for Kingston. (although I'd probably crap on the match to really show my disapproval, haha)
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This, this and this.

The crowd was just into the entire event, not just that one match. Besides, who doesn't like Dolph? Whether it's Orton, Sheamus or Cena the guy always gets a tremendous reaction from the crowd.

And the whole idea of the crowd cheering Dolph because they wanted to see Cena lose....well that is true. Why else do you cheer someone? You want to see them win. I think that proves just how much the fans are into the current product and its roster. It could have been Orton in there and they still would have cheered Ziggler. Cena in the match had nothing to do it.
We were talking about the big fight feel, so naturally we were talking about the main event. And Vince has wanted the fans to cheer for Cena for years now. All of them. And not all of them do, obviously. Actually, alot of them don't these days. Alot of them have done the exact opposite of what Vince's original intention was for Cena, which was for everyone to love him.

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You said watch a show from back in the day - aka those two eras - and compared them to now. It's impossible to do that b/c they are much different times. It's an obvious notion that the crowds were hotter back then. Which prompted me to say it's not a surprise b/c the biz was hotter in general around the time. Wrestling is in that time where it isn't "cool" atm. It's gonna suffer. Now the product isn't that grand, but it's got it's high points. Enough to make the crowd still want to react.



I had that same conversation in the chatbox one night. If people simply wanted Cena to lose then you'd only hear Cena sucks chants. Not a major chant or approval for the opponent. It's to say if it was Kofi Kingston vs Sin Cara for the intercontinental championship. I'd boo the hell out of Cara, but I sure as hell wouldn't be rooting for Kingston. (although I'd probably crap on the match to really show my disapproval, haha)
Ah. I think you can compare the two shows. They are very different, but any one person can say about either show "I like this one" and "I don't like this one." They're both 2 hour (I'll give the current product the benefeit of the doubt and count it as when it was a 2 hour show not all that long ago) wrestling shows on Cable TV. Not a big deal, but just my opinion on that.

EDIT- Well said, Clique.
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Cena's hate has died down a lot since when it originally started though. It depends on the crowd on how hated he is nowadays. Some want his blood and some do the chant but it isn't anything major. It's part of Cena's atmosphere.

Only face I can think of in that position that never got booed while on top, unless a heel, was Austin. Undertaker too. But, we know Austin was in the higher area.
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Did Flair also get booed as a face?
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