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**ShowStopper '97** · 12-24-2012, 09:53 PM

It's beyond awful. There have been past years where the Christmas episode of Raw was nowhere near this stupid. And yeah, 2012 as a whole was awful, especially storyline wise. I just laugh about it, though. Not my concern.

**ShowStopper '97** · 12-24-2012, 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Choke2Death

Lol, it's their choice. No need to feel for them. If they feel like they can put up with it, then more power to them. I personally can't and have stopped for several months now. It just feels so... dead to me. For me, all the anticipation, eagerness, fun and excitement... they're all but gone. Now I said it, I actually feel for those who tune in in hopes of seeing something good. I heard that they have even alternated the opening with the pyros and the camera angle that goes through the crowd because they are so dead. Sounds so depressing...

So true. I watched a Raw from 97 & 98 on WWE Classics on Demand this past week, and the difference in crowds from then and now are night & day. The amount of signs in the crowd alone from then to now is a huge difference. Lots of expression from the fans back then, and they didn't collect the signs. Certainly no piped in crowd noise, either. It's beyond stale right now. Like I said, thank GOD for DVD/Blu Ray, and Classics on Demand!

**Obfuscation** · 12-24-2012, 09:59 PM

I'd take 2012 over 2011. Said that before. My interest was WAY more dead during 2011. All the company had going for it to interest me was CM Punk. Now it's got more things for me to care such as The Shield, DOLPH, & my current favorite Cesaro. Sheamus is on top, which I love. Fuck the awful idiots who think he's bad. Randy Orton isn't anywhere to kill my interest. Cody Rhodes is still around and he's got a hell of a new talent in Sandow along with him. Hell No brings the entertainment. I don't dislike Ryback. He's not pretty, but oh well. Neither was Goldberg. That's not what they're trying for.

There are things I don't like and I'll groan from time to time. Basically any time I have to deal with Kofi winning something. He's the only major negative that I can name off the top of my head.

**Jack Evans 187** · 12-24-2012, 10:03 PM

WWE Superstar Collection: Daniel Bryan

Daniel Bryan vs. Chris Jericho - ** 1/2
NXT 2/23/2010

United States Championship
The Miz (c) vs. Daniel Bryan - ****
Night of Champions 2010

SmackDown Money in the Bank Ladder Match
Daniel Bryan vs. Sheamus vs. Wade Barrett vs. Cody Rhodes vs. Sin Cara vs. Kane vs. Heath Slater vs. Justin Gabriel - ****
Money in the Bank 2011

Daniel Bryan vs. Mark Henry - ** 3/4
SmackDown 11/4/2011

World Heavyweight Championship - Steel Cage Match
Daniel Bryan (c) vs. Big Show vs. Mark Henry - ** 1/4
Royal Rumble 2012

Overall: 8/10

- Bryan/Jericho is nowhere near what either guy is capable of, in fact both of them seemed off against one another, but once Bryan "hit" that Benoit-esque dive to the outside they did a fantastic job of getting him over as a guy who can go toe to toe with the best in the company. Nice to see a heel hook in a WWE match as well, can't say I've ever seen it since.

- I had heard a lot of good things about the Night of Champions match, but this seriously surprised me. Had more psychology and structure than any other Miz match I've ever seen. Bryan's selling of the arm was absolutely perfect, especially as he struggled to sinch in the Labelle Lock. I'd say it's Miz's best singles match of his career, and amazingly it wasn't all because of his opponent. Hella good stuff that woke the crowd up big time in the final few minutes. Top 5 for WWE in 2010? High possibility.

- MITB Ladder match was WAY better than I remembered. The first half is nonstop action with no down time and it's fucking awesome. Once Cara takes the power bomb through the ladder the match slows down significantly, but I didn't really mind it because they still came up with some innovative spots and threw in a couple little mini stories. Doomsday Device that sparked the LOD chant was awesome & Gabriel's 450 off the unsteady ladder is probably one of the most impressive things I've ever seen. One of the longer MITB matches you'll see these days but all 8 guys had their moments & they all sold the physicality of the match very well. Huge

moment for the finish.

- As an entire package, Bryan/Henry is great entertainment. Henry's power + Bryan's comeback + false cash in =

Not much to say on the cage match. Short match but it felt long. Lot of laying down for Henry. That's about all I got.

- This is a damn near perfect collection to showcase nearly every major moment in Bryan's WWE career. I would've really liked to see the Bragging Rights match vs. Ziggler & the Cage match with Henry instead, but I really can't complain too much about what they gave us. Perfectly acceptable way to spend 7 or 8 bucks.

**ShowStopper '97** · 12-24-2012, 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Stocking Filled w/HAYLEY JOY~!

I'd take 2012 over 2011. Said that before. My interest was WAY more dead during 2011. All the company had going for it to interest me was CM Punk. Now it's got more things for me to care such as The Shield, DOLPH, & my current favorite Cesaro. Sheamus is on top, which I love. Fuck the awful idiots who think he's bad. Randy Orton isn't anywhere to kill my interest. Cody Rhodes is still around and he's got a hell of a new talent in Sandow along with him. Hell No brings the entertainment. I don't dislike Ryback. He's not pretty, but oh well. Neither was Goldberg. That's not what they're trying for.

There are things I don't like and I'll groan from time to time. Basically any time I have to deal with Kofi winning something. He's the only major negative that I can name off the top of my head.

Fair enough. I don't even watch enough anymore to differentiate 2011 and 2012 all that much. And it's not even because I'm too busy or anything. I tune in like I always used to, but about an hour or so in, I just lose interest.

**Obfuscation** · 12-24-2012, 10:07 PM

It's wrestling. I can't lose interest even if I tried. That's how much I live for the sport. There will always be bad and good within it. I've learned to except that years ago.

**Gamblor** · 12-24-2012, 10:14 PM

Cena/ADR Raw 12/24/12- 10 snowflakes. Match of the Year. In fact, not only is it MOTY, but it takes up numbers 2-10 spots as well thus making it the only match in my top 10.

**The Beast Incarnate** · 12-24-2012, 10:16 PM

It's Christmas here now so....

MERRY MUTHAFUCKIN' CHRISTMAS

**ShowStopper '97** · 12-24-2012, 10:17 PM

I love wrestling. Have since I was 7, and I'm in my late 20s now. But I don't love the current WWE product. It's terribly boring and stale to me. There's always been some bad, even when it is good, but this is something completely different.

Choke2Death · 12-24-2012, 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by ShowStopper '97

So true. I watched a Raw from 97 & 98 on WWE Classics on Demand this past week, and the difference in crowds from then and now are night & day. The amount of signs in the crowd alone from then to now is a huge difference. Lots of expression from the fans back then, and they didn't collect the signs. Certainly no piped in crowd noise, either. It's beyond stale right now. Like I said, thank GOD for DVD/Blu Ray, and Classics on Demand!

I agree completely. In the last 6 or so months where I've stopped watching, instead I went for the past stuff progressively from year to year. All the stuff I've watched were so much more entertaining than majority of this year. Not to mention, crowds actually have plenty of life in them. And that's not even the Attitude Era I'm talking about, but rather the mid-00s. I read some forum stuff from those years on the net and all I see is bitching about everything WWE do but little did the very same people know about how bad things would get at this point in 2012.

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Originally Posted by Stocking Filled w/HAYLEY JOY~!

I'd take 2012 over 2011. Said that before. My interest was WAY more dead during 2011. All the company had going for it to interest me was CM Punk. Now it's got more things for me to care such as The Shield, DOLPH, & my current favorite Cesaro. Sheamus is on top, which I love. Fuck the awful idiots who think he's bad. Randy Orton isn't anywhere to kill my interest. Cody Rhodes is still around and he's got a hell of a new talent in Sandow along with him. Hell No brings the entertainment. I don't dislike Ryback. He's not pretty, but oh well. Neither was Goldberg. That's not what they're trying for.

There are things I don't like and I'll groan from time to time. Basically any time I have to deal with Kofi winning something. He's the only major negative that I can name off the top of my head.

Fair enough, I personally liked 2011 a lot more. Smackdown was plenty of fun to watch with the Edge/Del Rio feud in the first half and then with an enjoyable list of superstars post-draft including Orton, Christian, Sheamus, Mizark, D-Bryan, Sin Cara, Cody Rhodes while Raw was decent during RTWM with The Rock returning then given some life with an entertaining heel R-Truth around May. After his ME time was over, in came Punk with his push and shall I say, he was actually entertaining to watch for the only time in his life. There was a bit of a slow down after summer but I'd still take that period over this year any day of the week. Not to mention, 3 hours is murderous. I just cannot stay interested for 3 hours. In 2011, I can admit that I actually looked forward to every Raw and Smackdown on a weekly basis. This year I've actually had more interest in the ratings than the shows themselves.