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Old 12-23-2012, 09:13 PM   #12511 (permalink)
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I gave my review on Bryan/Punk last week and as I said, the match was a lot worse on second watch compared to first time.

Edge vs Batista (Smackdown 29/6/2007)
Fresh off their Vengeance: Night of Champions match where Edge won by countout which resulted in Batista never being able to get another shot at the World Title, they get a rematch on Smackdown. So going into this, Batista just wants to destroy Edge. I really liked the pace of the match playing up his opportunistic heel character and Batista being the scary powerhouse. Starts off slowly then moves into Batista controlling a portion of the match with a bit of leg work. It was also fresh to see Edge attempt a lowblow only for Batista to block it with his strength. Halfway through, Edge starts to take control with a neckbreaker which leads to a bit of neck work which Batista sells just fine throughout the match. The ending then comes after Edge counters Batista's top rope move with a dropkick followed by Edge crawling to the corner for a spear attempt. Batista does some kind of Thesz Press-like move on Edge's head and gives him the Powerbomb for the clean victory. Very enjoyable TV match and I also found it funny when Cole keeps whining about Edge being a coward, Edge walked out of the ring past the announce table and said "Shut up Cole!". I have to say that this was a great effort by two men who could have definitely not felt very good coming to work a day after hearing a close friend of theirs being accused of murdering his family. ★★★
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Old 12-23-2012, 09:38 PM   #12512 (permalink)
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I rather watch Punk/Bryan from SD earlier this year. You know, the overbooked one with Teddy comeing out every minute. I found that match to be very exciting at the time and I could be wrong but didn't match go anywhere from about 30-40 minutes including commercials?

I wanna give HHH/Taker a second watch. My initial impression of the match was ***1/2. And this is the last time I will be saying why I give the match ***1/2.

Triple H vs The Undertaker at Wrestlemania 28, much like their match at the previous year's Mania, felt a little too forced imo. They tried so hard to tell this compelling story with actual words and over the top antics. It just didn't have an organic feel to it whatsoever. Last year it was the other way around. They tried to tell this compelling story by breaking everything in sight

And the one thing that stood out to me was that they barely used the cell. I can recall like 2 spots they did in the beginning and that was that. This was perhaps my biggest gripe with the match. It didn't feel like a HIAC match. The cell was treated as an afterthought. As a matter of fact this match could have been worked without the cell. Had they not, for absolutely no warranted reason, book the match last year to be a NO-DQ they could have made this year's stipulation NO-DQ and they could have achieved the same result. The Cell, if anything, became more of a backdrop. Like a set just standing there not serving much purpose other than providing scenery.

I'm not saying I was expecting both men to slam each other 50 times into the cell and jump off the damn cell but to me this match had that Orton/Cena feel to it. Or Orton/Sheamus where it felt more like a steel steps match rather than a Hell In The Cell. The only difference between this match and a Cena/Orton is the "You End It!" to cover up for the lack of use of the cell.

So that right there is my biggest issue with the match. I'm sure had this match been a regular NO-DQ match I may have gone higher on this match but this is HIAC. And it didn't feel like one.

Overall, I'm not a fan of both their recent encounters at Mania.
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Old 12-23-2012, 09:50 PM   #12513 (permalink)
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The fact that Taker/Triple H were able to get the kind of reaction they got from the crowd during the match without using the cell and without gratuitous violence is very impressive. That is the art of pro wrestling. That's it right there in that match.
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Old 12-23-2012, 09:54 PM   #12514 (permalink)
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The fact that Taker/Triple H were able to get the kind of reaction they got from the crowd during the match without using the cell and without gratuitous violence is very impressive. That is the art of pro wrestling. That's it right there in that match.
I agree with you and I give them the credit for it. But to me the match still felt a bit forced and like I said it could have been done without the use of the cell so it defeats the whole purpose of the cell really. The cell just stood there like a big, clueless 25 foot misfit.

The fact that it garners such a reaction by doing so little should make it a 5 star match. As a matter of fact, I'm all for less is more. But on this occasion, I don't know.

It kind of reminds me of Flair/HBK. Now that's a match I really, really got into. To me that told more of an emotional story and it didn't rely on "End it!" and finisher kick outs to garner emotion. To me, that's more impressive. The moves told the story.
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Old 12-23-2012, 10:03 PM   #12515 (permalink)
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I agree with you and I give them the credit for it. But to me the match still felt a bit forced and like I said it could have been done without the use of the cell so it defeats the whole purpose of the cell really. The cell just stood there like a big, clueless 25 foot misfit.

The fact that it garners such a reaction by doing so little should make it a 5 star match. As a matter of fact, I'm all for less is more. But on this occasion, I don't know.

It kind of reminds me of Flair/HBK. Now that's a match I really, really got into. To me that told more of an emotional story and it didn't rely on "End it!" and finisher kick outs to garner emotion. To me, that's more impressive. The moves told the story.
I understand what you're saying and it's certainly a valid opinion. Going into the match, I wasn't expecting alot of violence. This is a PG company. There is no way they were going to be throwing eachother or falling off the cell or even using it as a weapon all that much. Hell, even the chairshots in the match, none of them were at the head. Which I don't have a problem with at all, but illustrates that they're not going to overdo it with violence like they used to with these matches.

I actually wasn't expecting all that great of a match going into it. Maybe that's why I hold it in higher regard. I thought it would be a mediocre match added to the fact that I knew there would be very little violence. I have to admit, they completely blew away my expectations. I think it's one of the best matches of this year, but certainly not one of the greatest of all time or anything crazy like that.

Alot of aspects of the WWE are forced these days. Wrestlers are shoved down our throats like crazy in this era. I don't think the match was anymore forced or stale than anything else in WWE these days.

The Flair/HBK match had the advantage of being the last match of the greatest wrestler of all time. That in itself is a great story. Not many matches have the advantage of having the greatest of all time in a retirement match. It almost writes itself.

But I certainly respect your opinion and it's a valid/fair one to have. And truth be told, I don't think we're that far apart on this match.
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Old 12-23-2012, 10:08 PM   #12516 (permalink)
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Came up with a way to rank the WWE PPV's this year.

Points System:

Solid - 1
Good - 2
Great - 3
Epic - 5
MOTY - 2
Oooo, sounds fun:

Royal Rumble - 6

Bryan Vs Show Vs Henry - Solid
Cena vs. Kane- Solid
Punk Vs Ziggler - Great
Royal Rumble- Solid

Elimination Chamber - 3

WWE Title Chamber- Good
WHC Chamber- Solid

WrestleMania - 10

Kane Vs Orton - Solid
Undertaker Vs HHH - Great
Punk Vs Jericho - Epic
Rock vs. Cena- Solid

Extreme Rules - 9

Sheamus Vs Bryan - Great
Punk Vs Jericho - Great
Cena Vs Lesnar - Great

Over The Limit - 8

Fatal Four Way WHC- Solid
Punk Vs Bryan - Epic and MOTY

No Way Out - 6

Sheamus Vs Ziggler - Good
Christian Vs Cody - Good
Punk Vs Kane Vs Bryan - Good

Money in the Bank - 4

Punk Vs Bryan - Solid
SD MITB- Good
Raw MITB- Solid

SummerSlam - 3

Jericho Vs Ziggler - Solid
Bryan Vs Kane - Solid
Lesnar Vs HHH - Solid

Night of Champions - 6

Orton Vs Ziggler - Good
Eve Vs Layla - Solid
Punk Vs Cena - Great

Hell in a Cell - 5

Team Rhodes Scholars Vs Team Hell No - Solid
Show Vs Sheamus - Great
Punk vs. Ryback- Solid

Survior Series- 4

Team Ziggler vs. Team Foley- Good
Sheamus Vs Show - Solid
Punk vs. Cena vs. Ryback- Solid

TLC - 11

Shield Vs Team Hell No & Ryback - Epic
Cena vs. Ziggler- Great
Barrett vs. Kofi- Solid
Sheamus vs. Show- Solid
Rhode Scolars vs. Mysterio and Cara- Solid
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Old 12-23-2012, 10:13 PM   #12517 (permalink)
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Bryan/Punk <3

LOVE that fucking match. In an alternate universe where Brock doesn't leave the UFC, this is the hands down MOTY bar none. This is the PG Era's answer to Benoit/Angle in terms of being an amazing WRESTLING match that was more about the WRASSLIN' than anything else.

Speaking of chambers, I have a ton of love for both SD and RAW's chamber in 2011. Both get **** tossed at it fairly easily from myself. Thought all stories were advanced really well, Orton-Punk was worked really well in the RAW match, while REY-EDGE stole the fucking show in the Smackdown chamber... Since Del Rio was the RR winner, the anticipation was on for Rey to actually win it.

I've already talked about the HHH-Taker HIAC enough, but I would consider myself to be one of the harsher critics of the match, despite still calling it a classic and giving it a great **** 1/4 rating. Speaks magnitudes to the impact it had in the wrestling community this year to be such a hands down MOTY in some circles. Still think there's no going wrong with Brock/Cena, Punk/Bryan, or HHH/Taker depending on personal taste.

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Still think there's no going wrong with Brock/Cena, Punk/Bryan, or HHH/Taker depending on personal taste.
Agreed, and same with the 6-man TLC imo.

Punk/Bryan is for them pure wrestling geeks. Brock/Cena is for those HARDCORE!!11111 marks. Taker/HHH is for dem people who can't live without a good story, and 6-man TLC is for those crazy fans who love spots and chaos in a match. They each have their own little category marked and depending on where you go, these are the four matches I'd think you'd see mostly as the MOTY for people. Hell, the best match of the year poll proves this to this point.
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Old 12-23-2012, 10:27 PM   #12519 (permalink)
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You know, I was thinking the same thing! After finishing Punk/Bryan the first thing that popped to my head was that it was exactly like this generation's Angle/Benoit. Can't say I really enjoyed that one as much as others either

I guess maybe pure wrestling isn't my thing. Unless it's that brute, European style wrestling that Finlay and Regal are absolute bosses at!

If Ambrose/Regal II were a RAW or SD match, that would have definitely made my top 10. I give both matches ****1/2 but I give the first bout more of an edge though. It was just nastier in terms of psychology. I mean Regal/Ambrose had the ear (which I'm surprised WWE allowed) but it was just some mind boggling psychology in their first encounter. Regal fucked that arm up of Ambrose big time. I love it when wrestlers get innovative with the ring.

Oh shit, just thinking bout these matches wants to make me say 5 stars lol. You ever get that feeling like when you can't stop talking about a match and then all of a sudden it goes from a ****1/2 match in your head to a 5 star match?
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For anyone who is interested in watching the full HHH/Cactus Jack match from Royal Rumble 2000. Here is a good video!

http://vbox7.com/play:8106ef50&al=2&vid=4216800
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