[Choke2Death]

I have to watch that Swagger/Christian match after I'm done with this Raw episode I'm on now. Hear about it a lot.

Originally Posted by SmokeAndMirrors

Money in the Bank was a good I thought. Smackdown MITB was great as was Punk/Bryan. Sheamus/Del Rio.RAW MITB were both good matches too. Obviously nothing compared to the previous years event. But still a good PPV offering.

I disagree. The MITB matches were decent but nothing special. Del Rio/Sheamus was boring and Punk/Bryan was terrible.

[Big Z]

WM for me had: Jericho/Punk and Undertaker/HHH which are my #3 and #2 MOTY respectively, so I'd place it way, WAY above the extremely average TLC PPV (outside of the TLC match).

[SmokeAndMirrors]

Originally Posted by Best In The North Pole

Need to watch TLC , but Extreme Rules is the undisputed PPVOTY IMO. Wrestlemania comes in at a distant second, and third is a toss up between like 4 or 5 shows. I really liked No Way Out a while ago when I saw it, but it's one of the only PPVS of 2012 that I don't own on DVD.

Who's the guy in here that really loves that show ? I'm thinking it's Brye because of the Kidd/Gabriel appearance and Rhodes-Christian. FUCK... Coupled with Punk-Kane-Bryan and Sheamus-Ziggler, if that show didn't have such a shitty main event it would be the #2 of the year for me easily

EDIT: I FUCKING KNEW IT

I remember seeing a lot of people hating on NWO just after it happened. Which I didn't understand. Because there were great matches on that PPV. And even Show/Cena wasn't disastrous. Oh and Johnny's suit at that show

[Brye]

Originally Posted by Best In The North Pole

Need to watch TLC , but Extreme Rules is the undisputed PPVOTY IMO. Wrestlemania comes in at a distant second, and third is a toss up between like 4 or 5 shows. I really liked No Way Out a while ago when I saw it, but it's one of the only PPVS of 2012 that I don't own on DVD.

Who's the guy in here that really loves that show ? I'm thinking it's Brye because of the Kidd/Gabriel appearance and Rhodes-Christian. FUCK... Coupled with Punk-Kane-Bryan and Sheamus-Ziggler, if that show didn't have such a shitty main event it would be the #2 of the year for me easily

EDIT: I FUCKING KNEW IT

Them letting Kidd do all this cool stuff on PPV and then never letting him do anything on TV is a tad disappointing. But I love the Rhodes/Christian match from NWO. The ending sequence alone just owns. Both title matches I have around ***3/4 to **** and I really like the 4 team tag match.

[Clique]

Originally Posted by FuckChristmas

WM for me had: Jericho/Punk and Undertaker/HHH which are my #3 and #2 MOTY respectively, so I'd place it way, WAY above the extremely average TLC PPV (outside of the TLC match).

Plus, Mania had the better than expected Rock/Cena Kane/Orton match.

[The Beast Incarnate]

That's what I don't get about WWE .... Why not let their young guys like Kidd shine out there in a match against Punk or Sheamus or one of the bigger names out there ? He doesn't have to fucking win the title or anything, just make more matches title matches to keep it interesting.

Punk-Kidd on Raw with 10-12 minutes ? Don't you think THAT would be good ?

NO. We need 40 recaps and as much Del Rio as possible.

[Brye]

Originally Posted by Best In The North Pole

That's what I don't get about WWE .... Why not let their young guys like Kidd shine out there in a match against Punk or Sheamus or one of the bigger names out there ? He doesn't have to fucking win the title or anything, just make more matches title matches to keep it interesting.

Punk-Kidd on Raw with 10-12 minutes ? Don't you think THAT would be good ?

NO. We need 40 recaps and as much Del Rio as possible.

Fuck, I would kill for that. It gives someone like Kidd a huge rub. Similar to Trips/Benjamin from '04 or something.

Would also like to mention that I'm pretty sure Kidd has defeated Tensai more times than Cena.

[Cookie Monster]

Originally Posted by Best In The North Pole

That's what I don't get about WWE .... Why not let their young guys like Kidd shine out there in a match against Punk or Sheamus or one of the bigger names out there ? He doesn't have to fucking win the title or anything, just make more matches title matches to keep it interesting.

Punk-Kidd on Raw with 10-12 minutes ? Don't you think THAT would be good ?

NO. We need 40 recaps and as much Del Rio as possible.

Completely agree.

Much better than getting rubbish tag matches we seem to get between four main eventers. I mean we've got Punk/Ziggler before on Raw and Ziggler/Cena and Punk/Cena etc. They are PPV matches. Give Punk someone like Tyson Kidd to work with for once so he can get on TV and we can see different things.

You'd never get Austin/HHH or Austin/Rock on Raw. Because they were matches that were to get built and blow off on PPVs because they were great. Nowadays everything is OVER DONE!

[Choke2Death]

Originally Posted by Clark Griswold

Fuck, I would kill for that. It gives someone like Kidd a huge rub. Similar to Trips/Benjamin from '04 or something.

Would also like to mention that I'm pretty sure Kidd has defeated Tensai more times than Cena.

How many times? Fruit has beat Tensai once and A-Train at least twice IIRC.

[Nostalgia]

Originally Posted by Choke2Death

You wanna torture me? lol. But really, I went back and rewatched his OTL match with Bryan the other week and it dropped for me heavily. From ****1/4 to ***1/4. I just don't like his wrestling style. He's sloppy and looks so uncoordinated. I've grown to like better 'organized' wrestling styles in recent times so Punk's all-over-the-place wrestling is not really my thing. Specially since he doesn't have one ounce of the athleticism of a cruiserweight to make it worth.

I'll still praise the Cena match from MITB, though. That one was epic, I need to go back and rewatch SummerSlam, though. And I still hate the no-DQ with Bryan. The Jeff Hardy series are in my plans to watch in the near future when I reach 2009. I'll never even touch his overrated work from this year, however. Except the Jericho matches which I might give another chance.

And that's fair enough. I will say that I think some people overrate Punk in the ring. While I really enjoyed his match with Punk at OTL, I didn't really care much for his match with Bryan at MITB (probably because of AJ) and his matches with Jericho weren't as good as people made them out to be. Some times he can really bring it in the ring, other times not so much. He's similar to Cena in that aspect imo.

Punk/Cena from MITB was epic though, that I agree on.

Originally Posted by Choke2Death

I loved the Kane/Ryder/Eve/Cena storyline. It was some "so bad it's good" quality stuff. I was in tears on the go home show to Elimination Chamber. It was way too goofy from the sudden kiss with Ryder in a wheelchair right there watching to Kane returning with the ambulance to the end segment with Cena embarrassed and the ending when Kane pushes Ryder off the stage. And who can forget the heat Eve got? Got over as a heel in an instant after that "friend zone" segment, lol.

Oh, and the camera focus being on Kane while the script writer was standing there telling him what to do and Eve calmly entering the ambulance pretending to be scared.

Oh god, I HATED that storyline. I remember ranting about it so much when it was going on at the time. The cheesy embrace the hate storyline between Cena and Kane was enough, but when they added Ryder and Eve in the mix, things wen't downhill fast. I remember criticizing Ryder and Eve's acting skills a lot when it was going on, they were awful. Some of the blame can be placed on the fact that neither had been in any big storyline so they weren't used to the about of attention and focus they were getting, but still, I feel some of the blame was their faults. I feel in some segments they didn't even try, or they were just acting terribly on purpose, it was cringeworthy TV for me. With the only highlights being Kane throwing Ryder off the stage when he was in the wheelchair and Cena's embrace the hate face to the camera, lol. Cena beating Kane at Elimination Chamber was a poor decision. It hurt Kane's comeback as a monster and killed any hype of the storyline going anywhere.

Originally Posted by FuckChristmas

Ryder is terrible and deserves to be in the position he's in right now.

Agreed.