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post #12311 of 20566 (permalink) Old 12-22-2012, 04:43 PM
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People look way too deep into things. ECW was all about having a good time, and a lot of fun. That's all that matters.
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Re: Official DVD/Match/Show Discussion Thread

Five Second Review : ECW Unreleased Vol 1

Disc One

Shane Douglas vs Too Cold Scorpio (Hardcore TV 1994) : **

Tommy Dreamer vs Raven (Hostile City Showdown 1995) : ***

Dean Malenko/2 Cold Scorpio vs Tazz/Eddie Guerrero (Hardcore TV 1995) : *** 1/2

Dean Malenko vs Eddie Guerrero (Heatwave 1995) : **** 1/4

Shane Douglas vs Cactus Jack (Cyberslam 1996) : *** 1/4

Chris Jericho vs Too Cold Scorpio (The Doctor is In 1996) : ***

Disc Two

RVD/Sabu vs The Eliminators (Cyberslam 1997) : ***

Sabu vs Taz (Barely Legal 1997) : *** 1/2

Shane Douglas vs Bam Bam Bigelow (November to Remember 1997) : **

Rob Van Dam/Sabu vs Hayabusa/Jinsei Shinzaki (Heat Wave 1998) : *** 1/4

Rob Van Dam vs Jerry Lynn (Hardcore TV 1998) : ***

Disc Three

Taz vs Shane Douglas (Guilty as Charged 1999) : *

Justin Credible/ Lance Storm vs Jerry Lynn/RVD (Heatwave 1999) : ***

Masato Tanaka vs Mike Awesome (November to Remember 1999) : ***

Tazz vs Tommy Dreamer (Cyberslam 2000) : **

Tommy Dreamer vs Justin Credible (Cyberslam 2000) : **

The Sandman vs Rhyno (Heatwave 2000) : *

Rhyno vs Spike Dudley ( Massacre on 34th Street 2000) : **

Jerry Lynn vs Christian York (Hardcore TV 2000) : ***

Tajiri/Mikey Whipwreck vs The F.B.I. vs Kid Kash/Super Crazy : *** 3/4

Thoughts

Quick story about this DVD ; picked it up back in August, where it rotted on my shelf until about five days ago when I finally decided to watch it and get it out of the way before Christmas. While watching it I wondered to myself WHY on earth I opted to wait to watch this later in favor of DVDs such as the Top 50 Finishers, Falls Count Anywhere, Rock vs Cena, and all the other various mediocre DVDs that the E' has released this year. I put this in not expecting much, and the first match was pretty MEH with a historic moment thrown in... When I eventually got to the Malenko/Eddie matches my opinion quickly changed and I was loving every second of this set.

They put a variety of matches on this set; and not just the garbage hardcore matches that ECW became known for. We got to witness the excellent technical prowess of Eddie Guerrero and Dean Malenko, the high flying style of RVD and Jerry Lynn, as well as the always intense TAZ. The match selection here was excellent, as while we don't get very many "classics", it's all quality from top to bottom with only a handful of matches average or below average (most of which featuring Shane Douglas ). I found that even the "garbage" style ECW matches found on this disc were done pretty damn well, and even though there was a ton of no-selling and other misc bullshit that ECW was known for, we got a story thrown into the mix such as the Raven-Dreamer match, Douglas-Foley, and Rhyno-Dudley.

They kept guys like Sandman, New Jack, and the other misc ECW pieces of trash off of this for the most part, making the set truly feel more like a "best of" comp more than a "unreleased" comp. If you love "spotfests" , you'll probably throw four stars at a ton of these matches, mostly the matches on the disc that feature RVD, Sabu, Mike Awesome, etc. However, if you want a more concrete story told in the ring, this DVD probably isn't for you AT ALL. I tend to fluctuate back and forth with my tastes, so matches that would be ** for a purist and **** for a spot lover I tend to have somewhere in the middle, so just take my ratings and judge it from your own personal taste.

ECW isn't an acquired taste like an old school Memphis match IMO, it's more of the mindless 90s shit that I feel casuals and hardcore fans alike can enjoy, and there's matches on here for every type of fan. Technical fans will love the Malenko-Guerrero matches, as well as the last triple threat tag match on here wherein Tajiri kicks some SERIOUS fucking ass in the greatest single man performance on the entire DVD. For the individuals who just wanna download and stream their matches online, watch everything that I have rated over *** 1/2 , but I say that if you're a semi ECW fan or semi DVD collector in general, that this should be picked up.

If anybody has a question about an individual match on the set and why I rated it that way, feel free to ask , and while I do have some complaints (NO 95-96 Lucha matches ? THE FUCK?) , the pros definitely outweigh the cons in such a way that at the moment I'd probably have this ranked as my #3 DVD of the Year (just behind Punk's and Lesnar's ). Just gonna throw out three matches to watch on this set for you STREAMERS out there, and three matches to avoid. Otherwise, go out and buy the DVD as a last minute Christmas gift for yourself

Three to Watch

Malenko-Guerrero
Lynn/RVD vs Storm/Credible
Tajiri/Whipwreck vs FBI vs Kash/Crazy

Three to Avoid

Sandman vs Rhyno
Taz vs Shane Douglas
Shane Douglas vs 2 Cold Scorpio

7.5/10





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I'm only 15 minutes into LOW but it's good. They're not shitting on ECW at all tbh. This is what you call constructive criticism. Hayes said the same thing I said about ECW. At first it was new and exciting but they didn't know what exactly they were doing. And I totally agree with him. I say the same thing about ECW. Even though I never knew about them or watched the program at the time, it doesn't take a genius to tell where ECW went wrong.

At first 5 chair shots is amzazing, then it takes 10 to become amazing. And before you know guys are getting hit left and right and it means absolutely nothing because what was once shocking is now the norm.

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I liked ECW for what it was. An alternative style of wrestling with some really interesting characters. I get a good amount of fun watching it.

And thanks for the Double J recommendations last night, guys.



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I got all 13 TLC matches in a torrent , all fairly decent quality with Undertaker/Edge being in 1080p . I have to mention the Flair/Edge match from my previous point , really a hidden job with classic Flair blade job WOOOOOO.

John Cena Vs Edge - TLC VI Unforgiven 2006
★★★ 1/2


Undertaker Vs Edge - TLC VII One Night Stand 2008
★★

CM Punk Vs Jeff Hardy - TLC VIII SummerSlam 2009
★★★★

DX Vs JeriShow - TLC IX TLC 2009
★★


Jerry Lawler Vs The Miz - TLC X Raw 29/11/2010
★★


Edge Vs Kane Vs Rey Mysterio Vs Alberto Del Rio - TLC XI TLC 2010

★★★ 1/2

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Don't like the RVD/Lynn matches. Take every complaint about Kurt Angle and multiply it by ten; that's how I feel about those. Guerrero/Malenkos I haven't watched in over three years.

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And I can't wait till I watch WWF 1999. I refuse to believe it sucked.
It sucked. I'd be harsher with snowflakes (if I used them) than most people, but I'd be kind of surprised if I found a WWF match from 99 that's ***1/2 or better. Absolutely flabbergasted if I found a four star match. The best WWF match of 1999 I've seen is about as good as the ninth best WWE match from 2012.

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If anybody has a question about an individual match on the set and why I rated it that way, feel free to ask ,
Curious about Douglas/Scorp. They have a really excellent match in 96 that's about as good as any ECW match that probably ever happened, and I don't think I've seen the 94 one so I'm wondering why it's an 'avoid' thing.


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Shane Douglas vs Cactus Jack (Cyberslam 1996) : *** 1/4
Also I really, really want to see this.

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It sucked. I'd be harsher with snowflakes (if I used them) than most people, but I'd be kind of surprised if I found a WWF match from 99 that's ***1/2 or better. Absolutely flabbergasted if I found a four star match. The best WWF match of 1999 I've seen is about as good as the ninth best WWE match from 2012.
I care about more than just the matches, though. And even then, I've seen a few quality matches such as Mankind/Rock from Royal Rumble and Rock/Taker from King of the Ring.
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Watching the aftermath to Rock/Foley from RR on the Beyond The Mat doc is really interesting. Those two crackin' jokes after Foley takes like 20 chair shots off the head.

As for '99, loved it as a kid but watching stuff now it's rather disappointing.



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The TV product in '99 wasn't any good either. It still baffles me how RAW's ratings were so damn high in '99. Man, Nitro must have been really shitty.

As for the PPVs, yawn. The style of the of matches during this time period just sucked imo. Every damn match was a brawl. INo matter what on RAW or PPV every match, they brawled.

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I liked Nitro in '99.... 2000..... Different story, man it bombed in 2000.
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