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Old 12-22-2012, 12:29 PM   #12281 (permalink)
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Oh I LOVED Austin-Bischoff. JR fucking MADE that match for me with his insanity, and marking out like a little girl for everything Austin did made me just fucking DIE.

Thoughts on Awesome-Tanaka (the series) ? Wouldn't throw **** at their N2R 1999 match, but I'd definitely throw *** 1/2 at it for the excitement. My favorite Awesome-Tanaka match would definitely be their ONS 2005 match with one of the greatest camera angles of all time in it.

Tanaka gets powerbombed through a table and the camera stays on him, when seconds later we see Awesome flying out of nowhere on top of him

TBH guys, I don't really talk about this ish very much, but talking about all of these rebookings and dream matches REALLY fucking makes me miss Benoit and Eddie... Like... ALOT. No doubt in my mind we would have saw a Cena-Eddie feud for the title in 2006 or 2007 that would have been fucking AWESOME, and Benoit probably would have stuck around to help the business and put over the likes of Punk, Bryan, and the like. I think Benoit-Cena in a big match situation would have been amazing.

Two of the best in the world on top of the company, dead in three years. So fucking depressing.
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Old 12-22-2012, 12:45 PM   #12282 (permalink)
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Oh I LOVED Austin-Bischoff. JR fucking MADE that match for me with his insanity, and marking out like a little girl for everything Austin did made me just fucking DIE.

Thoughts on Awesome-Tanaka (the series) ? Wouldn't throw **** at their N2R 1999 match, but I'd definitely throw *** 1/2 at it for the excitement. My favorite Awesome-Tanaka match would definitely be their ONS 2005 match with one of the greatest camera angles of all time in it.

Tanaka gets powerbombed through a table and the camera stays on him, when seconds later we see Awesome flying out of nowhere on top of him

TBH guys, I don't really talk about this ish very much, but talking about all of these rebookings and dream matches REALLY fucking makes me miss Benoit and Eddie... Like... ALOT. No doubt in my mind we would have saw a Cena-Eddie feud for the title in 2006 or 2007 that would have been fucking AWESOME, and Benoit probably would have stuck around to help the business and put over the likes of Punk, Bryan, and the like. I think Benoit-Cena in a big match situation would have been amazing.

Two of the best in the world on top of the company, dead in three years. So fucking depressing.
At least his death had something good come out of it.

On the real, my dream feuds involving Benoit and Eddie that never happened are:

Eddie/Cena (main event in 2007)
Benoit/Cena (probably in 2008 or 09 after the brand extension was phased out)
Eddie/Orton (a PPV match would have been a CLASSIC!)
Eddie/HBK (would've happened in 06 had it not been for the tragic death)
Benoit/Taker (for Wrestlemania!!! )
Eddie/Taker (one of the best one-on-one matches to never happen)
Benoit/Bryan (no more said!)
Benoit/Batista (Benoit got the first really good match out of Batista in the first Raw of 2005. A longer feud could've brought the best out of The Animal)
Eddie/Edge (with both as main eventers, they could've possibly surpassed their 2002 matches)
Eddie/HHH (their Raw draft 04 match was decent, who knows what a full feud would've brought out?)
Benoit/HBK (a real one-on-one feud without HHH sticking DAT NOSE in it!)

Damn, I can go on!
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Old 12-22-2012, 12:59 PM   #12283 (permalink)
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How good is the Helmsley-Austin-Taker triple threat match?
One of the worst fucking triple threat matches ever. Seriously.

It's on one of the extras of Austin's Blu Ray I think. I couldn't believe how sloppy and bad that match was considering the talent in it.
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Old 12-22-2012, 01:10 PM   #12284 (permalink)
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Legends of Wrestling discussion on the "Evolution of Hardcore" was good like always. They shit on ECW multiple times especially Hayes and Patterson which I expected. They did bring up Patterson's Alley fight with Slaughter and how you can have hardcore with a story and I guess opposed to Awesome/Tanaka in ECW which was in line with "ECW matches that told no story" according to Hayes. "Gratuitous violence" is a word that was often used, they talk about the cut down on blood today, and how hardcore in WWE has become "extreme" and those matches can be great with physicality instead of over-the-top violence. I thought it was a good discussion but would have liked a Mick Foley or Paul Heyman on the panel to get a little more perspective from the other side.
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Patterson shitting all over ECW and the more extreme hardcore stuff in that episode was awesome .
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I agree with them that we do not ever need to go back and have those matches on every show. They should be built to. I appreciate they talk about feuds and matches telling a story and even WWE could use a bit more of that. I also believe blood is a useful and highly impactful element that should be in some matches because it enhances the brutality of the contest, can be an excellent tool for telling a story, plus a great visual. I mean look at what blood did for matches like Piper/Valentine, Austin/Bret, Michaels/Taker, Eddie/JBL, and recently Lesnar/Cena.
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Patterson hating on ECW made that episode for me, great stuff, it's a shame someone like Foley wasn't on as there could have been a great back and forth on ECW.

Agree with Patterson totally though, Hardcore is great when it has a purpose and a reason and has been built towards not when it is just something to hide the fact your talent can't wrestle.
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Old 12-22-2012, 02:25 PM   #12288 (permalink)
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Yeah, that Austin/Taker/Trips match is fucking TERRIBLE , and one of the worst matches I've seen from either guy TBH.

For somebody who is currently watching an ECW DVD, I can easily say that I'm 50/50 on hardcore wrestling. I thought what ECW did was FAR more compelling than what the scrubs in CZW do today (besides the likes of New Jack, Sandman, and the like... THEY SUCK). They had alot of guys who could go out there and really WORK, but they opted to go for a more "hardcore" style and really fuck things up.

ECW was the best company in the world (and peaked) in 1995, and throughout the company's history I felt that they had a few awesome series's of matches (RVD-LYNN, Eddie-Malenko) with most being more "nearfall" type matches like Tanaka-Awesome.
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As bad as the likes of WWF and WCW were in 95, I doubt anything from ECW would be better than the top 5 for WWF. Not sure about WCW, off the top of my head I can only remember one great match (Arn/Flair), but there are likely to be more .
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ECW being the best in the WORLD is nuts, but in 95 they had Benoit, Guerrero, 2 Cold Scorpio, Cactus and Mikey Whipwreck. Wouldn't be surprised that, if I actually bothered to watch more of this stuff, they were the best promotion in the US. I think ECW could have been the best promotion in the US in 1999. They had Tajiri. They win. Of course I haven't seen too much of it. But they had Tajiri so I'm just assuming. I could see the argument for 2000 as well depending on how much a person likes WWF. I've seen like 45 matches from Tajiri in 2000 and I'd put him ahead of anyone in the US that year pretty comfortably. Throw in potentially real good stuff with dudes like Super Crazy, Corino, Whipwreck, PSICOSIS, Little Guido and I wouldn't be surprised if they were better than WWF that year. They were obviously better than WCW. Um, pretty sure I could have started a promotion in 2000 at six years old in my backyard and it would have been better than WCW.
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