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post #11991 of 20566 (permalink) Old 12-19-2012, 03:47 AM
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I have so much concern about the future of the WWE that it's insane. It almost feels as if we're moving backwards as opposed to forward in the company philosophy. We had guys like Shawn Michaels and Bret Hart break the mold for what a champion should be, taking the focus off the big muscles and no workrate of the former champions like Warrior and Hogan. They broke the walls down for guys such as Eddie Guerrero and Chris Benoit to win the world titles based off of momentum, storytelling ability, and natural character development. Then Rey won the world title and it became a story of "okay, this is entertainment, the best storytellers are the guys that should be on top, the ones who work hard and naturally develop a connection with the crowd". Punk (the most muscle-less world champion there has ever been probably, still 220 LBs mind you) reassured me that wrestling was in a good place once again ; storytelling and the ability to naturally get over MATTERED again it seemed.

Now look at today. Daniel Bryan is one of the greatest storytellers and workers of his generation, making low card guys to main event guys look great inside the ring. The guy busts his ass off night in and night out, and eventually carves himself a role in the company as an extremely entertaining personality. One could argue that at one point during this year ; he was the hottest thing in the company by far. Fuck, they bury him down and down and down and he STILL gets killer reactions due to his capability as a double threat in the ring and on the microphone. One should figure that he would be in the main event scene right now with reactions like he has now right ? OH and I forgot to mention ; he did this and got THIS OVER while being fed nothing but garbage (oversaturation of AJ Lee into his storylines, losing in 18 seconds at Mania, being essentially squashed by the likes of Alberto Del Rio). How did he do it ? HARD WORK and natural fucking ability. Instead of being around where PUNK is, he's being treated as if he's on the level of Miz.

Let's look at Ryback, shall we ? This guy comes in and is immediately given matches (squashes) all lasting less than 10 minutes. He wins, he wins, and he wins. He starts to get more of a crowd reaction than the norm, but here's the thing ; WHO WOULDN'T GET A FUCKING REACTION IF THEY WON EVERY SINGLE MATCH. Wrestling may be kayfabe and "fake" , but I DAMN sure know that alot of casual fans gravitate towards winners. He got over due to the WWE PR machine that was behind him, and not on his standalone natural ability, which really fucking irks me. Here's a guy that can't wrestle a decent match to save his life, or cut a promo worth listening to, and basically if he chooses it seems like he can be the one to dethrone John Cena as the face of the company ? You're kidding me, right ? It's the most un-natural build to a wrestler that I've ever seen in my life, so bad that WWE is pushing him down our throats in main event matches already.

He walks to the ring, says "feed me more" , goes for under 10 minutes , and leaves. Two years from now, tell me how over that is. I say the WWE PR machine got him over for a reason ; take Ryback and put him in ANY other wrestling company in this world and tell him to succeed. Do the same with Bryan and you tell me who generates more revenue and is more entertaining for your company.

My point is simple ; Ryback got over because of his situation that will eventually grow stale and fizzle out (LOOK) , while Bryan got over(moreso than Ryback) DESPITE what the WWE gave him. Now with the introduction of another shitty musclehead (Langston) , it got me wondering what kind of philosophy the company is taking to their product, and why they're doing this.

They have to potential to KILL wrestling to alot of fans, me included. It's all personal opinion but, if they continue to feed gold to shit and shit to gold, how can they expect the audience to continue to buy into their product ?

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I think Vince knows that Cena is breaking down and wants to introduce new faces so there can be a "pass the torch" moment. I've read some post about Ryback and it's scary. Bringing in a new era? Of what? What once was the past where big guys couldn't move nor had conditioning? Frightening. I know this next piece has no connection with your post but I must let loose. Why is there an anti-indy frontier on this forum? Why can't people stand seeing guys that look like Punk,D-Bry and Tyson Kidd wrestle but prefer guys like Ryback, Batista and such? Vince has brainwashed people into thinking that if they're not built like HHH they can't be stars. It pisses me off and I know this has nothing to do with your post but...I needed to release the stupidity I've read before signing up.

I have no problem with guys like Bam Bam, Vader and Umaga since they can actually go in the ring.

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b/c they're trolling or really are brainwashed by the image of size through the eyes of Vince McMahon.

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Going back to the subject of Booker/Goldust/HHH 2003, if you haven't already checked out BookDust/GameFlair tag from 24/3 (the go home show to Mania) then you should watch it instantly. Fucking awesome performance from all four guys, and I wouldn't be surprised if it was top three HHH matches from 2003, alongside Booker at Mania and Shawn at the end of the year.

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OK, I did this in the TNA thread and I'll do it here for WWE.

The Top Ten Worst PPV Matches of 2012. Now for TNA I actually had a little bit of trouble because most of the bad PPV matches were mostly blasse. I didn't feel like there were any matches that were stunningly awful to the point that I'll remember them a decade later because of how bad they were.

Fortunately (or unfortunately, I don't know) I did not have that problem with WWE as I knew right where to go for most of the spots. They gave us some shiny turds this year, some of them high profile matches.

So here we go, the Top Ten Worst WWE PPV Matches of 2012!

10) Daniel Bryan Vs. Sheamus: World Championship at Wrestlemania XXVIII = I'll be honest, I actually laughed my ass off when they did this 18 second match at Wrestlemania. I knew the IWC rage was going to be insanely high and the thought gave me the giggles. I didn't care about the match to begin with for a lot of the same reasons that I don't care about most World Title matches in general, but an 18 second opener just made me "And the point of this was what exactly?". I usually say there doesn't need to be two World Titles, this match sort of justifies my stance.

9) The 2012 Royal Rumble Match = "It will be the end of the World as you know it" That one statement from Jericho instantly peaked my interest for the Royal Rumble PPV event. I thought "what does he mean?" "is he going to go after Punk?" "is there some other shock that I can't even think of?". With Jericho in the Rumble match itself, I thought for sure he would win it and then close the show with whatever it was he hinted at with his statement. But no, Sheamus just won and that was that. Nothing interesting happened at all. So the thing I tuned in for turned out to be a wasted opportunity and the rest of the match felt empty as well. It felt like they just loaded it with guys to get nostalgia pops (Hacksaw, Road Dogg, etc.), bad comedy entrants, & guys whose names I couldn't remember. And they also did a bad job with the marathon man spot as Cody & Miz lasted the longest and I forgot they were out there half the time.

8) Cody Rhodes Vs. The Big Show: Intercontinental Championship at Wrestlemania XXVIII = The ending to this one pissed me off more than Sheamus/Bryan did. And the sad thing is, I knew in my gut that it was coming. So they build up Cody as IC Champion and actually give him something interesting to do by mocking Big Show's Wrestlemania history. They could have taken that throughout the year and with future opponents until Cody suffered his defeat at the hands of a new star or a hot babyface (Ryback anyone?). But no, Big Show has to have his Wrestlemania moment. So great, instead of running with a strong heel champion, you gave Big Show the belt in a match that nobody is going to remember in 5 years. And the sad thing is, the rematch at Extreme Rules was booked exactly how this match should have been. So I thought "OK, maybe they can salvage this" but no, they just had him drop it to Christian the next PPV completely out of the blue. Whatever.

7) John Cena Vs. The Big Show: Steel Cage Match at No Way Out 2012 = So lets turn Big Show heel, make him a monster again, and then have him lose his first match right off the bat. That's a good idea! It just cemented how pointless the Big Show turn was as they just had Cena beat him for the 80th time. The match itself was boring and slow and featured more overbooking than I care to recount here. It was just an exercise in pointlessness.

6) Eve Torres Vs. Layla Vs. Kaitlyn: Divas Title at Hell in a Cell 2012 = I usually don't pay much attention to the divas matches. Yeah they are typically bad, but they are unimportant filler, so who cares? But this one seemed really bad. It was pretty sloppy and centered around a storyline that I just couldn't bother to care about.

5-3) Sheamus Vs. Alberto Del Rio: World Championship Matches from Money in the Bank, Summerslam, & Night of Champions = So not only do I just flat out not care about these guys' characters, but in the ring, they clearly have no chemistry. These matches were just flat out boring. There isn't any other way to say it. I fell asleep during the Money in the Bank match and the Summerslam match featured a very stupid finish that only served to frustrate me because I knew it meant at least one more match was coming. By the time they did their third match, I was just ready for it to be done.

2) Santino Marella Vs. Ricardo Rodriguez: Tuxedo Match at No Way Out 2012 = When I saw this on paper, I thought that it was either going to be hilarious, or it was going to be a complete disaster. There was no middle ground. Sure enough, it was a disaster. It was unfunny, it came off poorly, and only served to reinforce my belief that WWE can't do comedy.

1) John Cena Vs. John Laurinaitis at Over the Limit 2012 = They closed out a PPV with this. I am dead fucking serious. Not only did I not care for the story at all whatsoever (it was about as awful a rehash of Austin/McMahon as you can possibly have) but the stakes meant nothing to me. As I've said before, I don't care at all who is in charge of the show and I feel modern wrestling companies spend way too much time dealing with authority figure character. All of that aside, the match was just bad slapstick from start to finish and featured one of the most obvious "see it coming a mile away" turns ever and it only served to continue this story that I didn't give two shits about to begin with.



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Watched that Goldust/HHH promo that was posted a few pages back . Stuttering Goldust was fucking hilarious.

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There was some talk about RVD and his best matches earlier too. And not one single person mentioned his stuff with Eddie. SHAME ON YOU. RVD's greatest matches ever are with Eddie. Backlash 02, then Raw 02 Ladder match would be #1 and #2 for me, followed by Vs Benoit at SS 02. Not into his stuff with Lynn in ECW.

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Last time I watched this I didn't like it all that much. Watching it now and am really digging it.
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Originally Posted by SpookshowTony View Post
Watching the HBK/Mankind match, I believe something was botched. Mankind reversed an irish whip sending Michaels to the turnbuckle. Michaels I guess was suppose to hit a crossbody but Mankind didn't follow. HBK looks legit pissed.

Edit: I do believe he's pissed, giving Mick some stiff elbow shots to the face.
That was actually planned by both guys. It was an inside joke at HBK getting pissed at Vader at the PPV the month before (SummerSlam '96). Mick has talked about it numerous times.

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Just seen Edge's last DVD. Very good one, second WWE Dvd after Cm Punk's Best in the World
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Some random matches I forgot

Alundra Blayze vs Bull Nakano Summerslam 1994 ***1/2
Shawn Michaels vs Undertaker Hell in a Cell for WWF Championship Badd Blood: In Your House *****
Bret "Hitman" Hart vs 123 Kid Raw 7/11/94 ****
Lawrence Taylor vs Bam Bam Bigelow Wrestlemania XI 1995 **
The Ultimate Warrior vs Hunter Hearst Helmsley Wrestlemania XII 1996

I remember watching the LT/Bam Bam match not being really exciting but it was memorable despite not knowing who LT was.
I would also like to say that the 123 Kid was the one who got me cheering for the underdogs. Even if the match is one sided.

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