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Old 03-01-2012, 02:12 AM   #111 (permalink)
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It was in 2005. I want to say February. Randy Orton and Christian had a really good match a week after that when Christian got a huge knot on his head.
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Old 03-01-2012, 02:15 AM   #112 (permalink)
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Thanks.

My Top 10 WrestleMania main events:

1.Wrestlemania 17
2.Wrestlemania 20
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Old 03-01-2012, 05:55 AM   #113 (permalink)
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On a related subject to the Ironman matches, what does everyone think of the Benoit/Angle Ultimate Submission match at Backlash 2001 and how does it stand up compared to the other matches between those two guys?
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Old 03-01-2012, 07:26 AM   #114 (permalink)
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On a related subject to the Ironman matches, what does everyone think of the Benoit/Angle Ultimate Submission match at Backlash 2001 and how does it stand up compared to the other matches between those two guys?
Damn, forgot about that match. Technically it would be an Iron Man match, just submissions only (like Cena/Orton with the STIPS~!). My favourite match between the two, and comparing it Iron Man matches I'd have it pretty high too.
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What's wrong with that? "oh let's do this and that and then hit our finishers" is pretty much every WWE mian event match. I get not liking the match, but it seems like you're talking about parts of the match instead of negative parts about it.

Also antoniomare-

Austin's punches. FUCK Austin's punches. He has this terrible flimsy babyface flurry of punches that look weaker than just about anything. There's one punch in the Angle SummerSlam match though, looked tremendous liked he actually decked Angle straight in the face. I re-wound it a bit beccause it looked so awesome.

Funk....I guess i shouldn't commnt on his peak (whenever that is) since it's been a while since I've watched it, but I don't remember Funk working a finishing stretch as well as some guys. Again. been a while, so that's probably horseshit.

Benoit tried to hard sometimes. Sounds silly to "try too hard," but look at 2002-2003 Benoit compared to 1995-1996 Benoit and it's a different animal. 02-03 is extremely favourable with a lot of people, but I'm not one of them. Worked like a smarter Kurt Angle, and a smarter Kurt Angle is still a Kurt Angle. And a Kurt Angle is a wretler who I don't care for, even if, again, his stuff is extremely favourable with a lot of people. Chris got back on track by mid-04 at least, thoguh. And by "back on track" I mean "a style that I actually really like."

Lawler might have needed more offense, but at the same time...he really didn't. He probably comes off as a little one-sided; it's a little odd that he starts the match with punches and then they just start to work after he's been beaten down, but he's so excellent at that that it doesn't matter.

Flair remained too "the same," I think. He goes bat-shit insane old man in 2004, but he probably should have done that by 95 (which he did in promos, anyway). The "all Flair matches are the same argument" should be dead, but the Flair of the late 90s needed a change from working as "The Man."
I just found the first 15 mins of Hogan/Warrior boring.
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thanks man.

I've spent literally 1 week trying to think "bad" things about Funk's and Lawler's work. It hasn't been easy.

Good stuff on Benoit, specially his "formulaic work" in his later years. I still love his Junior matches as I still like that style and appreciate it by what it is. This last 2 weeks I've been rewatching a lot of early 90's work (even his fun brawl against Funk) and it still holds up. I'm still waiting for someone to find his 2nd match vs Owen with audio, it's such a fun 10 minutes even without it.
Yeah its not like I thought he was actively bad or anything, but I think years of working the same style essentially took its toll, not forgetting he was a midcard guardkeeper again following 2005 so it made sense to work more formulaic matches that hid the weaknesses of Kennedy or MVP and got them over. But still, you could see a different Benoit when he locked up with Finlay and Regal in the later years compared to when he faced guys the WWE wanted to look guard, almost like all the pressure was off and he could just experiment with both guys and work holds/sequences he normally couldn't.

His juniors stuff largely holds up for me, his Superbrawl III match v Scorpio made my Top 100 WCW Ballot as well as some of his sprints with Eddie and Jericho, the BOSJ match with Eddie will never drop for me, such an incredibly well structured match that establish both men's strengths and build to the high spots in such an organic and brilliant way.

EDIT: just seen Yeah's post, agreed with a lot of that.

Likewise I can't really give a top 10 of Wrestlemania main events, but I'll do a top 5:

Taker v HBK, Wrestlemania 26
Cena v HBK, Wrestlemania 23
Rock v Austin, Wrestlemania 17
Benoit v HHH v HBK, Wrestlemania 20
Angle/Lesnar would probably round off the top 5- though I think its an infinitely lesser match than the above, haven't seen Cena/HHH from 22 in forever but I'd probably rank that ahead of Lesnar/Angle unless it really drops.

Steamboat/Rude is the best Ironman ever, by far. Everything you need in pro wrestling, great build and sequences, a character dynamic that gets integrated into the sequences and holds, stupendous selling and a molten crowd. It did extremely well on my Top 100 WCW Ballot, well Cal and Cal alone knows just how well it did.

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Anyone remember that really good HBK/Orton vs Edge/Christian tag match from early '05?
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Doing some shopping on Amazon right now. Looking for some PPVs from the attitude era on that are good top to bottom. Any ideas? WWE or WCW.
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Looks like I got some '05 matches to go and watch.I stopped watching wrestling around late '03 and started back in '06 around February. Holy shit, I din not know there was a RAW in Japan. Gotta check that one out.

I don't think I can do a top 10 Mania main events because quite frankly I can't even name 10 Mania main events that I actually enjoyed or consider about **** but here is my top 5.

1) The Undertaker vs Shawn Michaels Wrestlemania XXV *****
2) Chris Benoit vs Shawn Michaels vs Triple H Wrestlemaina XX ****1/2
3) John Cena vs Shawn Michaels Wrestlemania XXIII ****1/2
4) Edge vs The Undertaker Wrestlemania XXIV ****1/4
5) Kurt Angle vs Brock Lesnar Wrestlemania XIX ****1/4
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Doing some shopping on Amazon right now. Looking for some PPVs from the attitude era on that are good top to bottom. Any ideas? WWE or WCW.
My memory of 1998-1999 is pretty bad, however for WWF 2000 I'd say:

Backlash
Judgement Day
Fully Loaded
Summerslam
No Mercy

are the essential purchases if you wanted something.

Backlash has the amazing Rock/HHH main event, a really good Benoit/Jericho IC title match, a Dudleys v T & A tag that is much better than it had any right to be, a harmelss Malenko/Scotty 2 Hotty Lightheavyweight Match with a good crowd and a fun Hardcore multi man match featuring the Hollys, The Hardy's, Blackman etc. Top to bottom a very good card with some excellent matches.

Judgement Day has another great main event and Benoit/Jericho combination as well as a really good 6 man tag featuring Angle, Edge & Christian v Too Cool. Pretty sure there's another good match on there but those 3 alone are worth the purchase.

Fully Loaded is stacked, Rock/Benoit is one of Rock's best non gimmick matches ever, HHH/Jericho is perhaps the best LMS match the company has ever put on, Hardys v T & A is fun, Taker/Angle isn't extraordinary but ok and Venis/Rikishi in the Steel Cage has THAT cage spot which is still incredible to this day.

Summerslam is also very good, TLC 1 and Benoit/Jericho again are the main reasons to buy the PPV, Taker/Kane is really a nothing match, the main event is ok but they had a better triple threat on TV before this, Shane v Blackman is a really fun hardcore match with some memorable spots and a good crowd and there's a couple of harmless undercard matches.

No Mercy has a really good main event in Angle/Rock and HHH/Benoit is pretty good, though they'd go on to have better matches later on. Can't remember much else but I'd say its the best of the PPVs after Summerslam, with Survivor Series and Armageddon being barely 'ok' to me and Unforgiven being quite good but the best match (Hardys/Edge and Christian) not being as good as No Mercy's best match (Rock/Angle).

Backlash, Judgement Day & Fully Loaded would be my 3 top picks tbh depending on how dear they are/how much you want to spend.
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