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post #1161 of 20560 (permalink) Old 04-14-2012, 01:36 PM
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Kofi Kingston vs. Curt Hawkins - Superstars - 12th April, 2012
Am I the only one that's starting to compare Hawkins and Reks to late 2000 Edge and Christian? Their so goofy and hilarious, but they're legit as fuck in the ring, especially Hawkins. It's the little things he does in the ring, Reks also, that makes him so enjoyable to watch and this wasn't any different. Tbh, the match it's self was pretty badly structured, with a pretty basic transition spot involving Reks as you'd expect, but it's still worth a watch for a seven minute match. Hawkins and Reks have so much potential as a tag team that it's not even funny. **1/2

What're your thoughts on Hawkins and Reks? Or the match in general, if you watched it?
My thoughts are that it seriously wasn't as good as it could/should have been. Whether that's due to the lack of time given, or perhaps Hawkins and Kingston might not be used to working with each other. The match just felt a bit off at time. Not a bad match by any means but nothing especially memorable. Worth a watch but not essential viewing.

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and whats with your insistence not explaining why you dislike Undertakers 2006 to 2008 work?
I've given several reasons several times each. I said I wouldn't repeat myself, & people continued asking. I answered again. Now, it's some of you trying to not see the many times I've answered.

Watched "Smackdown" last night. When Kane said he was "a sucker for family reunions" to Randy & Bob Orton, made me think of something... Book a 2-on-2 match for "Extreme Rules" or "No Way Out".... Perhaps both. One of Ortons vs. Brothers, & the other mixing it up. Find a way to separate the Brothers for the 2nd match. Put them in the Cell @ NWO, since people seem to say that's where some of Taker's best matches happen. Let the "new" Kane end his brother's active career.
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Started the Kane DVD

Kane/Mankind - Survivor Series '97 - ***1/4
Kane/Taker - WM XIV - ***1/2
Kane/Taker - Inferno - **1/2

Wasn't a huge fan of the inferno match but I really enjoyed the first two. Hadn't seen the WM XIV match in ages.

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I've watched Wrestlemania 28 again today, so it's the third time I've seen it in full and it grows on me with each viewing.

Bryan/Sheamus STILL bugs the crap out of me. I know time was an issue, but it's freaking Wrestlemania and it's the World Heavyweight Championship. It probably did more good for Bryan and more harm to Sheamus, which is probably not what WWE wanted. But, I digress. It's all been said over and over already. DUD

Orton/Kane is actually pretty good, despite the piss-poor reasoning for the match. Feels like they just had to find a way of putting Orton on the card as he's supposed to be the top babyface on Smackdown but he's not been doing much of anything recently. Anyways, it was a solid, physical match and I enjoyed how Orton tried to go toe to toe with him. His strikes were effective and he looked like he could beat Kane. The chokeslam from the second rope at the end was visually great and it was nice to see Kane win. ***

Show/Rhodes was disappointing, and again I don't think it was given enough time. I suppose it's nice to see Big Show win the Intercontinental Championship, but I would've prefered a Rhodes victory. Given more time, I would've liked to have seen Cody really go to work trying to chop the big man down. **

Divas tag match - Maria whatever her name is from that Extra show appeared ZERO times on WWE TV to promote this match so why should anyone care that she's involved? Waste of time. DUD

Undertaker/Triple H inside Hell in a Cell was fantastic. Absolutely phenomenal match that was head and shoulders better than their encounter last year. First couple of minutes were a bit slow but shit got good real quickly after that. On a side note, I laughed at the cell getting its own entrance with theme music. It was utterly ludicrous but it totally worked, especially seeing both men look up and the camera slowly pan up through the smoke to see it coming down. The WWE production team are amazing.

Anyways, I heard Jim Ross say it best in a documentary...this was a perfect example of how to wow a crowd with physicality. The chair shots were brutal, and judging from Undertaker's back at the end of the match it was pretty clear they did considerable damage. Chair shots, sledgehammer, steel steps, interference from HBK as was all there. I love that every year they always throw in a moment where something happens and I think that it's all over - Edge hitting the second spear at Wrestlemania 24 only to have Undertaker grab Edge and lock him in Hell's Gate. Then there's HBK getting Tombstone at 25 only to kick out, or Triple H nailing Undertaker with a Tombstone. I thought for sure the match was over when I saw that. This year, HBK hits Sweet Chin Music and it's followed by a Pedigree. I literally held my breath because I thought that shit was over for sure. The kickout was epic.

When Undertaker finally won, and they all helped each other to their feet and embraced, it truly felt like the end of an era. I imagine we might see both men in action again in the future, but we'll likely never see all three men together ever again. Anyways, extremely physical and emotional war. The ONLY downside was Shawn's acting. The whole conflicted referee thing was cool and made sense seeing as he's Triple H's best friend and he has great history with The Undertaker, but the actual acting from HBK was cringeworthy. However, it didn't ruin the match. ****1/2

Team Johnny vs Team Teddy was ok I guess. I'll admit it, unless it's with the big main event stars I HATE big tag matches like this. Don't get me wrong, I love some of the mid-card talent, but I'm all for one on one matches instead of big tag matches. Ziggler was great, as was Ryder. Interesting times lay ahead with Johnny Ace leading both shows. **

CM Punk/Chris Jericho was great, great stuff. Started off slow, as it seemed like it took a few minutes for them to get the chemistry right. Jericho trying to make Punk angry at the start with the taunts about his family was smart. Jericho is so good at being a real piece of shit. Jericho's control segment was great, and the climax was great. Punk going for the hurricanrana from the top rope but getting reversed into the Walls Of Jericho was really innovative too. Ultimately, Jericho taps and Punk is still the champ. Best in the world perhaps ****

The Rock vs John Cena was a great match, and a very worthy Wrestlemania main event. How can a match live up to a year-long build? It can't, and any match will likely always fall short of the massive expectations we all put on it. However, both men did great and it really did feel special. I wasn't looking forward to the musical performances, but Flo Rida wasn't all bad. MGK absolutely sucked though, he got boos and then literally no reaction once he was done. His little opinion on the match did NOT go over well with the live crowd. It made me laugh how MGK said Cena was the UNDERDOG. Really????? I'm pretty sure that even though most people wanted Rock to win, deep down we all thought that Cena would go over. Flo Rida got a moderately good reaction and it seemed like the fans were into it whenever they cut to shots of the crowd. Cena got loads of heat as expected, and the crowd was very pro-Rock which was expected to. That's not to say Cena didn't have his fans, because he did. But the crowd was on Rocky's side.

The staredown at the beginning was a nice reminder of how Rock/Hogan started ten years ago, as was the back and forth show of strength that followed. Rock was a bit rusty during the match, but for a guy who hasn't had a singles match in 9 years I think he was incredible. The rest periods were a little dull, but I was glued to the screen the whole time and both men really know how to work the crowd. Rocky doing the "you can't see me" gesture only for Cena to pick him up and AA him was fantastic and it seemed like it was over. The leg drop from the top rope was brutal, Rock was lucky he didn't get hurt for real. Rock's crossbody from the top rope is something we haven't seen since 1997! Fantastic thing to pull out of the bag in a match as important as this.

Cena made ONE fatal mistake, and that was deciding to mock The Rock at the end. He took his eye off the prize because he suddenly became too concerned with getting a cheap shot in. Rocky took advantage and hit the Rock Bottom for the win. The victory was met with an almighty pop that gives me goosebumps every time. When the camera cuts to a wide shot of the crowd and you can see what looks like EVERYBODY going nuts its just amazing. A true sight to see. I read a live fan report that said people were literally jumping up and down and dancing in the aisles when Rocky won. Like it or not, it was the best decision. It's Wrestlemania and you have to send the crowd home happy. Cena winning would've made some people happy but the vast majority would've hated it and the show would've ended on a sour note.

All in all, it was a fantastic match that obviously couldn't live up to expectactions but they still delivered a great main event that I'll no doubt watch over and over for years. ****1/4

Verdict - best Wrestlemania since Wrestlemania 24, and I think it's better than 22 and 23. Great show that seems to go really quickly.

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WWE WrestleMania XIX

Cruiserweight Title: Matt Hardy vs. Rey Mysterio - **3/4

Handicap Match: The Undertaker vs. Big Show & A-Train - ***

Women's Title: Victoria vs. Trish Stratus vs. Jazz - **3/4

WWE Tag Team Titles: Team Angle vs. Los Guerreros vs. Chris Benoit & Rhyno - **3/4

Shawn Michaels vs. Chris Jericho - ***3/4

World Heavyweight Title: Triple H vs. Booker T - ***1/4

Street Fight: Hulk Hogan vs. Mr. McMahon - ****

Stone Cold Steve Austin vs. The Rock - ***1/2

WWE Championship: Kurt Angle vs. Brock Lesnar - ***1/2

This has always been my favorite WM and my favorite PPV ever, but with every passing viewing, I start to understand why not everyone considers this is the best WM ever. I still think it's a great WM and one of the best ppvs of all time, but now I see it a lot more closely tied with WM X7.

-Hardy/Mysterio is a solid sprint, but I could have done without any restholds.

-UT/ShowTrain is a lot of fun. You know a card is big when UT goes on second. This was just non stop action from three very big guys. UT had good chemistry with both, who always showed a willingness to work with him (check out the 2008 UT/Big Show series, or even UT's SummerSlam match with A-Train). Very enjoyable, a lot of fun.

-The Divas's match is probably one of the better women's matches out there, which doesn't say much about the division. Still, they give it their all and we get a nice feel good ending with a great closing sequence.

-Tag Title match is meh, but seeing Guerrero/Benoit at WM is still cool.

-This is probably the most I've ever enjoyed HBK/Jericho. On paper, my favorite wrestler returning to WM after 5 years against his splitting image should be a dream come true, but it's just never fully clicked for me. Not in 2003, and not fully today.

I appreciated it a lot more, but I felt like they were just starting to get good when the match ended.

-HHH/Booker is a damn good title match, but the problem is, as everyone else has mentioned, on the same night that HBK crawled out the walls, Jericho kicked out of SCM, Hogan legdropped McMahon three times, Rock rock-bottomed Austin three times and hit one people's elbow, and Lesnar hit three F5s to win the title, Booker T looked really bad getting pinned after ONE pedigree with a delayed pin.

This was an interesting, under-rated match, that again, feels like it ends out of nowhere. Another 2-3 minutes and this could have been great.

-Hogan/McMahon was MOTN for me: a dream match, the ultimate "what if", two of the biggest foundations in wrestling. I love how it started as a wresting match, but when Hogan over-powers McMahon, McMahon gets dirty. The legdrop off the ladder is sick, Roddy Piper returning is perfect, and the end sequence is perfectly over-booked, without being a mess. One of my all time favorites.

-Rock/Austin III is not as good as WM X7, but still a very solid match, that never gets boring and has a great ending sequence. This might be the first finisher fest ever, but I mean that in a good way.

-Angle/Lesnar, again, just seems to end as it starts going. Of course, Lesnar's botched SSP takes the wind out of everyone, who are unsure what to think, and it obviously changes the finish. A good wrestling match, but I never realized how awkward the ending is.

Still one of my favorites of all time. I enjoyed HBK/Jericho a lot more, and I still love Hogan/McMahon. Rock/Austin is a fitting conclusion to their trilogy, I just wish the two world title matches had gotten more time, and obviously this is not a showcase of a very deep card. FIVE main events, though, which will probably never be duplicated.

Favorite Matches of All Time

1. Triple-Threat Match for the World Heavyweight Championship: Triple H vs. Shawn Michaels vs. Chris Benoit - WrestleMania XX

2. Career Threatening Match: Shawn Michaels vs. Ric Flair - WrestleMania XXIV

3. WWE Championship: John Cena vs. CM Punk - Money in the Bank 2011

4. No Holds Barred Match: The Undertaker vs. Triple H - WrestleMania XXVII

5. WWF Championship: Hulk Hogan vs. The Ultimate Warrior - WrestleMania VI
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In all honesty Kurt Angle needs a frickin' dvd he has one of the technical greats. Shame he's in TNA so it won't happen.

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I still fucking love WM XIX. Rate most things way above what most other people seem to rate them too lol. Like, ***3/4 for Matt/Rey (best match under 5 minutes ever), **** for the triple threat tag match, **** for HHH/Booker T, ****1/2 for Austin/Rock (their best match imo). Then I'm super low on McMahon/Hogan. About *. Thought it was shit .
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The thing I would of liked to seen at WM 19 is Booker win the title, I think it would of been a great underdog moment for him to establish him as a WWE star rather than just a guy who was good in WCW. Then I would of had HHH win it back at Backlash in a gimmick match with help from Evolution, but Booker could still look great in a match like that giving his all to retain the title, rather than the pointless 6 man tag.

Then just start the HHH reign of terror from then, and you have made Booker T a bigger WWE star.
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Yeah, the timing was pretty much perfect for a Booker T title win (even if I can't stand him ). Was dumb that they didn't actually go through with it. I've heard people defend the decision based on the fact Goldberg was coming after WM and they needed the belt on a heel. Last I looked, Goldberg didn't win the belt until what, SEPTEMBER? Easily enough time for Booker to have a reign for at least until the next PPV.
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Exactly, Goldberg wasnt even thinking about the WHC, he was too busy feuding with Rocky and Jericho. HHH could of easily had a long feud with Booker instead of the sh1t Nash feud, especially as he left after Summerslam and Booker was there up till 2007. It annoys me that they never really focused on him until they absolutely had to in 2006 when Smackdown pretty much didnt have anyone. And in my opinion he did brilliantly with the silly King Booker gimmick, which just shows what hes capable of.
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