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post #11501 of 20560 (permalink) Old 12-15-2012, 09:45 AM Thread Starter
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Re: Official DVD/Match/Show Discussion Thread

That Flair/Sting match is utter shite. Gave it * when I watched it for the WCW poll. Seems like the set it already off to a bad start lol.
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Yeah, that one. Thought it was 12/10/85 instead of 10/12/85. How many non-Steamboat Flair singles are better? BOTB 86 v Windham and probably v Funk 11/89 which I forgot, maybe the better 87 Windham match (whichever that is), maybe BOTB 85 v Wahoo, maybe the Morton cage at GAB 86 ......can't think of anything else. Most of those are 'maybes' and the only 'definite' for me would be the 86 Windham match. Nobody really talks about Flair/Kerry, either. Hell nobody really talks about any of the Flair/Kerry matches. for a guy with so much Greatest of All Time talk Flair has a LOT of great matches that nobody really talks about.
I haven't seen the Flair/Kerry Hawaii match in about 3 years, but I wouldn't be surprised if I liked it more than the Flair/Steamboat matches on a re-watch. But that then opens the whole "fresher versus better" can of worms and I don't have the motivation to get into that again.

Honestly, I *might* take the Flair/Morton cage match as the best match of Flair's career at this point. I think Morton is arguably his best opponent ever as well.

The 'I Quit' match against Funk blew me away when I re-watched it last year.

Been ages since I watched any of the Windham matches, but I suspect I'd like at least two of them more than the Kerry match...but I'm not 100% sold on that.

I loved the shit out of Flair/Roberts, but I need to see that again. It's been almost 5 years at this point, I think.

So, basically:

v Windham x2
v Morton
v Funk

Those are really the only Flair matches I feel confident about saying are better than the Kerry match. The Roberts match is a maybe, and I guess the Steamboat matches are as well, because they're Flair/Steamboat and I wouldn't be surprised if I loved them again whenever I next re-watch them. I've been kind of iffy on Flair for a minute now, though. Who knows.
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Had a go at reviewing my first match and was just wondering if I post it in here would people be able to give me their thoughts? The match I reviewed is Cena Vs Lesnar and I understand that this match does get brought up in here a awful lot but I chose it as I've seen it a few times and it's pretty easy to find.

John Cena vs Brock Lesnar – Extreme Rules

“I'm not a superstar, I'm an ass kicker” - Brock Lesnar

This match is widely recognized as one of the best matches of 2012 and has received the full 5 stars from a number of people and I for one believe that it lives up to all the hype and deserves to be viewed as a truly great match.

I absolutely love the brutality of Brock's MMA style offence in this match and combined with some great selling of the arm injury from Cena makes this match look like a war. The elbows the the skull of Cena at the start of the match really set the the tone for the entire match with Brock pretty much dominating the whole match and not allowing Cena to mount any offence without getting slammed to the ground. Cena is bleeding from the skull for the duration of the match and the medical team even have to step in and stop the match to attempt to stop the bleeding, while some people may say that this slows the match down and ruins the flow I actually think that it helps sell how much Lesnar is dominating Cena as it shows that someone had to step in to stop Cena getting seriously hurt. All the while Cena is receiving medical treatment Brock is gloating in the opposite corner by pointing to the elbow that has just cut open Cena's head, smearing the blood across his chest and even licking Cena's blood. Lesnar continues to decimate Cena throughout the match by kneeing Cena in the ribs and hanging him from the turnbuckle with a padlock and landing punches on a defenceless Cena and at one point hits a F5 but manages to catch the referee on the way down meaning that he is unable to count the three count, after another ref enters the ring and Cena kicks out at 2 Brock lays the ref out. Personally I think the amount of ref bumps hurt the match as they didn't really serve a purpose. Lesnar puts the steel steps in the middle of the ring and tries use them to throw himself into a clothesline to Cena who is on the ring apron, Lesnar accidentally throws himself over the top rope with his momentum and his knee sickeningly bounces off the floor which Brock somehow manages to walk off with a devilish smile on his face like the freak of nature that he is. Lesnar attempts try this for a second time but Cena hits him with the padlock and chain for his first real bit of offence in the match, Cena follows it up with a Attitude Adjustment onto the steel steps and covers Lesnar for the 3 count.

A lot of people criticise the ending of the match and the decision to let Cena win, I agree that Lesnar should of won in my opinion but the complete domination that Lesnar showed in the match still put him over as a monster.


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It's in this video -

Orton/Michaels had a match on that show I forgot about too!
Thanks a ton man!

Jeff Hardy vs. Umaga - IV - 3/5/07 - Non Title Match - Monday Night Raw
Jeff Hardy bails out the ring early to avoid Umaga and hits a couple dropkicks before hitting a suicide dive. They're up fast and Umaga runs into the steps. Running clothesling by Hardy and a low drop kick. Umaga nails a clothesline, and Hardy loses all of his momentum. Hardy is laying on the mat dead as Umaga hits some spring board butt drops. Hardy starts to fight back with punches and hits a jawbreaker. Hardy off the ropes, he eats a punch and a clothesline. Umaga puts Hardy up in the tree of woe. Umaga running headbutt to Hardy's chest, and he is pummelling Hardy in the corner. Umaga hits a stink face and signals for the spike! He hits it, and its all over.

Damn, I thought this was going to be really good with Hardy starting off fast and using his speed to get the advantage on Umaga. The problem is that the second Umaga hit a clothesline early on, it was ALL Umaga. **1/4

Now I get to watch their GAB match!!!
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Is the WCW Best of Clash if Champions worth a watch?

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Is the WCW Best of Clash if Champions worth a watch?
From that set watch these matches first:

NWA World Heavyweight Championship Match
‘Nature Boy’ Ric Flair vs. Sting
Clash of the Champions – 27th March, 1988

NWA World Tag Team Championship Match
Arn Anderson & Tully Blanchard vs. Lex Luger & Barry Windham
Clash of the Champions – 27th March, 1988

“I Quit” Match for the NWA World Heavyweight Championship
‘Nature Boy’ Ric Flair vs. Terry Funk
Clash of the Champions IX – 15th November, 1989

NWA United States Championship Match
‘Nature Boy’ Ric Flair vs. Lex Luger
Clash of the Champions XII – 5th September, 1990

WCW United States Championship Match
Sting vs. ‘Ravishing’ Rick Rude
Clash of the Champions XVII – 19th November, 1991

Elimination Tag Team Match
Sting & ‘Nature Boy’ Ric Flair vs. ‘Ravishing’ Rick Rude & Vader
Clash of the Champions XXVI – 27th January, 1994

Championship Unification Match
Sting vs. ‘Nature Boy’ Ric Flair
Clash of the Champions XXVII – 23rd June, 1994

WCW United States Championship Match
“Stunning” Steve Austin vs. Ricky ‘The Dragon’ Steamboat
Clash of the Champions XXVIII – 24th August, 1994

WCW Cruiserweight Championship Match
Ultimo Dragon vs. Dean Malenko
Clash of the Champions XXXIV – 21st January, 1997

WCW Cruiserweight Championship Match
Chris Jericho vs. Eddie Guerrero
Clash of the Champions XXXV – 21st August, 1997

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Jeff Hardy vs. Umaga (c) - V - 7/22/07 - Intercontinental Championship - Great American Bash 2007
Hardy starts off laying some punches on Umaga, but Umaga takes Hardy off of his feet with a punch. Umaga punches Hardy around and they go to the floor. Umaga slams Jeff on the apron and sends him back inside. Jeff gets a flurry of strikes and a jawbreaker in, but Umaga catches him off the ropes with a Samoan drop. Umaga does a DAMN GOOD Samoan drop. Umaga hits a few bunches and a headbutt, before dropping a leg on Hardy. Hardy catches Umaga with a kick to the stomach, but Umaga stops him in his tracks with a clothesline. Umaga hit a couple hard Irish whips to Hardy into the corners attacking his back. Umaga throws more strikes at Hardy and applies the nerve hold. Hardy starts to elbow out of the move, but Umaga sends him crashing back down to the mat keeping the nerve hold on Hardy. Jeff tries to elbow out again, but Umaga smashes him down reappling the hold. Third try to escape, but Umaga tosses him onto his back. Reapplying the hold. Hardy fights out of the nerve hold and goes for a BODY SLAM. Umaga is to heavy and falls into a cross body for a two. Umaga hits a springboard butt drop onto Jeff's sternum and a second one. He signals for a third but Hardy gets his knees up. Hardy is on the top rope and goes for a cross body. Umaga catches him and hits a Black Hole Slam esque move. Hardy kicks out! Umaga goes up top for a head butt, but Hardy moves out of the way! Hardy gets a few punches and elbows in and he hits a spinning kick! Hardy with a DDT! Umaga charges at Hardy but goes over the top rope. Dropkick to Umaga followed by a suicide dive! Back in the ring, Hardy with a sunset flip, but Umaga goes for a butt drop. Hardy moves, and hits a sliding drop kick for 2! Umaga throws Hardy into the corner and pummels him with punches! STINK FACE NO HARDY MOVES. Whisper in the Wind! 2! Umaga throws him in the corner, but misses a stinger splash. Hardy goes up top! Swanton Bomb! Umaga kicks out at 2! Jeff signals for the twist of fate, but Umaga hits a superkick! Stink face! Samoan spike! Thats the match!

Wow. That match was really good, especially the last 4 minutes. Umaga's control angles wasn't half bad, and I really enjoyed the nerve hold spots. I felt those were a good throwback to their previous matches, and it was great that it took Hardy 4 tries to escape the hold. The match really picked up in the end, and had some really great nearfalls down the stretch. By far the best match in the series at this point. ***1/2

Jeff Hardy vs. Umaga (c) - VI - 9/3/07 - Intercontinental Championship - Monday Night Raw
Hardy ducks a punch and hits a quick flurry followed by some kicks, but Umaga nails a series of punches to take the advantage. Umaga chokes Hardy in the ropes, but Jeff fights back. He bounches off the ropes, but Umaga gives him a back elbow. A few stomps to Jeff and a headbutt. Umaga tosses Hardy across the ring a couple of times like a ragdoll smashing him into the turnbuckles. Umaga hits a knife edged chop and some punches in the corner. He goes for a running elbow, but Hardy moves. Hardy hits a few punches but is tossed off. Hardy onto the apron, but he is superkicked to the floor. Commercial break. Umaga stomps Hardy and applies a nerve hold.
Hardy fights with punches, but Umaga throws him to his back and reapplies it. Hardy fights out and hits a kick to the gut. Jeff bounces off the ropes, but is caught with a beautiful Samoan drop. Umaga goes for the diving head butt, but Hardy moves out of the way. Double count. Both to their feet bu sever, and Hardy hits some punches and forearms. Hardy with a spin kick. Goes for a sunset flip, but Umaga butt drops. Hardy rolled out of the way and hits a sliding drop kick for 2. Twist of fate attempt, but he is shoved into the corner. WHISHPER IN THE WIND! Hardy goes up top, and dives with a crossbody. Umaga catches him with a black hole slam type move. Umaga goes to the top rope. Hardy crotches him and Umaga flops to the mat. Hardy covers him, and Umaga throws him off right as he got the 3! New IC Champ!

This match was the GAB match but shortened about 3-4 minutes and with a different finish. Still really enjoyed this match, and Umaga still looked strong in his loss. Wasn't on the same level as GAB, but it was better than their matches previous. I think it just hits ***.

I hope the series keeps this up. These two matches were entertaining and flew by.
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Originally Posted by sharkboy22 View Post
Is the WCW Best of Clash if Champions worth a watch?
I like it. There's a few clunkers on there but for the most part its a good set.
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Ugh... I despised that COTC set, mainly because I owned practically every good match on the DVD, but they gave us a billion repeats anyways. Too many short, pointless matches, not enough Vader vs Dustin Rhodes ..... Still not as bad as ANOTHER WCW based set they put out this year but bad.

Watching Straight Shootin' w/ Jim Cornette and Percy Pringle right now. Fucking HILARIOUS stories being told, with Percy telling a story about how The Undertaker HATES cucumbers, so bad that when people used to rib him and put cucumbers in his hat/gloves/drinks , he would puke his guts up and get PISSED. They're talking all kinds of ribs here, check it out honestly (you can download it off of this site)

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Umaga was one of Jeff's best opponents. Really liked GAB '07 and the steel cage match on Raw.
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