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Old 12-13-2012, 09:12 PM   #11322 (permalink)
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RATINGZ FROM DA LAST FEW PAGES

WM XXI (Trips vs Batista) : ***
BL 05 : *** 3/4
VEN 05 : **** 3/4 (MOTY)

LOVED this series. Wrestlemania was a bit blah.... But Backlash and the whole "Pedigree" storyline was just BOSS.

In regards to the whole issue regarding Punk being a top 10 GOAT, I forgot to throw in my original post that this was all opinionated and none of this is based on what the general public or internet public believes. Fuck, Punk isn't top 50 for alot of people, let alone top 10. I'm willing to bet by the end of his career though, he'll be rated as a top 20-30 great, as WWE seems to really love his presence in the company. I completely understand that Punk isn't really for everybody (besidesChoke2Death, he loves him some PUNK) , and that a TON of people will go down in history as better than him. It's 100 percent opinion and I thought I should have cleared that up a little better

In terms of Punk at his hottest (regardless of how long it lasted) , I still believe that he had more buzz and hype around him from pipe bomb-summerslam 2011 than Cena/HHH/HBK/Orton have had in their careers. I mean, this shit was on News Stations around here.... That's UNHEARD of nowadays. I can't think of one thing that Trips/Cena/HBK/Orton did that outside and even INSIDE the general wrestling fan base that generated the most hype. Almost in a sense that people never said "DID YOU SEE WHAT JOHN CENA DID ON RAW? HOLY SHIT WE HAVE TO SEE THIS?" as much as they were hyping the MITB 2011 storyline and the "pipe bomb". This is coming from somebody who likes Hunter MUCH more than Punk too, trust me. I'm also a fan of the other three I listed, it's just the buzz around MITB 11 and how many people I know personally who got back into the product because of it is ridiculously insane.

Trips is 8-8 @ Mania, but besides his first match he's never been under .500 , which is why he needs to get DAT WIN BACK over whoever he faces at Mania this year. He better compete, or I'll cry for days more than likely.

ANYWAYS... HOW'S EVERYONE'S PROJECTS BEEN COMING ALONG ?
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Batista/Trips series:

WM - ***1/4
BL - ***1/2 (haven't seen in ages though)
Ven - ****1/2

Considering that I really enjoyed the feud, I was a little more invested in the first part of the series.
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RATINGZ FROM DA LAST FEW PAGES

WM XXI (Trips vs Batista) : ***
BL 05 : *** 3/4
VEN 05 : **** 3/4 (MOTY)

LOVED this series. Wrestlemania was a bit blah.... But Backlash and the whole "Pedigree" storyline was just BOSS.

In regards to the whole issue regarding Punk being a top 10 GOAT, I forgot to throw in my original post that this was all opinionated and none of this is based on what the general public or internet public believes. Fuck, Punk isn't top 50 for alot of people, let alone top 10. I'm willing to bet by the end of his career though, he'll be rated as a top 20-30 great, as WWE seems to really love his presence in the company. I completely understand that Punk isn't really for everybody (besidesChoke2Death, he loves him some PUNK) , and that a TON of people will go down in history as better than him. It's 100 percent opinion and I thought I should have cleared that up a little better

In terms of Punk at his hottest (regardless of how long it lasted) , I still believe that he had more buzz and hype around him from pipe bomb-summerslam 2011 than Cena/HHH/HBK/Orton have had in their careers. I mean, this shit was on News Stations around here.... That's UNHEARD of nowadays. I can't think of one thing that Trips/Cena/HBK/Orton did that outside and even INSIDE the general wrestling fan base that generated the most hype. Almost in a sense that people never said "DID YOU SEE WHAT JOHN CENA DID ON RAW? HOLY SHIT WE HAVE TO SEE THIS?" as much as they were hyping the MITB 2011 storyline and the "pipe bomb". This is coming from somebody who likes Hunter MUCH more than Punk too, trust me. I'm also a fan of the other three I listed, it's just the buzz around MITB 11 and how many people I know personally who got back into the product because of it is ridiculously insane.

Trips is 8-8 @ Mania, but besides his first match he's never been under .500 , which is why he needs to get DAT WIN BACK over whoever he faces at Mania this year. He better compete, or I'll cry for days more than likely.

ANYWAYS... HOW'S EVERYONE'S PROJECTS BEEN COMING ALONG ?
TRIPS/Batista Ratings

WM **3/4
BL ***1/4
Ven ****1/2

To pile onto the punk point, I've never personally been so excited about a time period in wrestling since the Summer of Punk in 2011. The buzz around the product was something I hadn't seen in years. Punk was everywhere, it was the hottest storyline the WWE has had in years and of course they fucked it up.

I hate that it had to turn into HHH/Nash. The storyline should have gone on and continued up until WM where Punk goes through all these hurdles beating everybody HHH puts in front of him. Finally leading to Face/Tweener Punk vs. Heel GM HHH. Would have been massive, culmination of Punk's shoot promo leading to the WM main event with Trips, hell add stephanie at ringside.

The anti authority rebellious face/tweener CM Punk vs the Dominant heel GM with stephanie at ringside. Punk vs the New Age Mcmahons

The perfect WM main event and they pissed it all away.
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I always believed the true culprit of why Punk never got a real payoff with Trips was due to the fact that Rock-Cena was announced a year in advance. In doing that, WWE basically fucked themselves horribly and it was basically a case of "OH SHIT, we can't make Punk the focus of the show because Cena needs to main event Mania against the Rock" thus meaning that alot of what Punk did took a backseat despite his buzz being at a level that 99.9 percent of wrest;ers will never come close to.

If Rock-Cena doesn't happen ; Punk-Trips or Punk-Cena main events Wrestlemania.
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Batista/HHH series:

WM21- **
BL- **3/4
Vengeance- ****1/2

Taker/Lesnar... still looking around for their cell match since the youtube link I had for it was removed. Any help finding it on youtube or dailymotion would be greatly appreciated. I'd prefer not to download, but I will if that's the only way.
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Batista/hhh series

Wm21- ** 3/4
Backlash- *** 1/2
Vengeance- **** 1/2

Only got a few tv matches of hunter/foley left then the awesomeness that is their 2000 street fight and HIAC :hhh
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Old 12-13-2012, 09:56 PM   #11328 (permalink)
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Just searched far and wide for you man, can't find anything... Fucking WEIRD considering how that match should be really popular. I think you can get it on WWE.com if you're living in the United States... If you aren't than Fuck WWE for not making their videos available to the world (from a Canadian's point of view).

Watching HBK-HHH from the Royal Rumble right now, and I think WAAYYY differently of it now than I did the last time I saw it.. IS IT A GOOD THING OR A BAD THING ?!?!?! .... SUSPENSE. Ugh.... Really not looking forward to watching that god damn cell match tonight, even though I really like the match. I got like four hours so I might be able to get this things completely done tonight... We'll see

The Helmsley-Foley feud in 1997 is MARKDAFUCKOUT. I adore and give all of their PPV matches from that year ****. LOVE LOVE LOVE all of them. Foley is Triple H's greatest opponent by 289 miles. WHICH BEGS THE QUESTION....

Who are these guys's best opponents (in terms of match quality) ?

Hulk Hogan
Randy Savage
Ric Flair
Steve Austin
The Rock
Chris Benoit
Eddie Guerrero
Triple H
Randy Orton
John Cena
CM Punk
The Undertaker
Chris Jericho
Shawn Michaels
Kurt Angle
Brock Lesnar
Big Show
Rey Mysterio
Mick Foley
Batista

I can't think of anybody else ATM .... I'll post my response to my own question (WOW) when somebody else replies first
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Taker/Lesnar... still looking around for their cell match since the youtube link I had for it was removed. Any help finding it on youtube or dailymotion would be greatly appreciated. I'd prefer not to download, but I will if that's the only way.
I found this video but the quality is not that good, and whoever uploaded it put the wrong date on it lol.




Anyway, you're big Taker mark, why the hell don't you have the Anthology set?


btw, this is my review on it:

Spoiler for Brock/Taker HIAC:
Brock Lesnar vs. The Undertaker
HELL IN A CELL for the WWE Championship
WWE No Mercy 2002




“THIS IS THE NEW PHENOM! One that will ANNIHILATE YOU! DESTROY YOU! HE CONDEMNS YOU TO HELL!!!

Deadman, Rest … In … Peace …”
Paul Heyman


Undertaker and Brock Lesnar came into Hell in a Cell with such a personal animosity for one another and this is where it all culminated in sheer brutality. That's what this match type calls for and how it should be used in the WWE. They ran with the storyline of Lesnar and Heyman threatening Undertaker’s pregnant wife and I think that took Undertaker’s character to a more vulnerable level emotionally which we had never seen before or since. The internal struggle Taker had to go threw in the build up with his family being brought into a scandal instigated by Paul Heyman and the decimation of his trusty 'soup bone' right hand by Lesnar was the Hell leading into this Cell. Taker had to bring hell to Brock for his family and for himself.

The selling of Undertaker's hand injury has received criticism from some fans over the years that claim he didn't sell extensively enough. I didn't think Taker's selling was a problem at all. I think he did as best as he could sell that he was indeed in pain and that he wouldn't allow a maimed body part stop him from fighting this monster. Every time Undertaker used the hand for a punch he quickly pulled it back in agony along with a pain filled scream - now that is good selling. Tazz and Cole even explained when Undertaker used the hand for a Chokeslam as adrenaline kicking in and that’s enough reasoning for me.

Unlike the first ever HIAC, Undertaker met his match here and then some in the animalistic champion Brock Lesnar. However, Taker was forced to use the old “cast as a weapon” during the match. Because of the cast Taker controlled the first quarter of the fight which had never been done to Lesnar at the time and I don't think has since. Brock felt the pain of the cell as Undertaker rammed his head and raked his flesh into the steel fence.

Lesnar bleeds and Paul Heyman screams! God, Heyman’s voice is so annoying! Classic heel manager that Paul E was. Undertaker makes us all happy momentarily when Heyman mistakenly got his hand stuck in the Cell and busted his head open! I thought that was awesome to feature that payback spot for all the hell Heyman put Taker through. Lesnar being the freakin MANSTER that he is used his brute strength to slam Undertaker into the Cell and followed that up by desperately pulling at the cast to remove the weapon. With the help of Paul Heyman and his belt, Brock viciously struck Taker’s hand with a steel chair until the cast came off. When the cast inevitably came off the match got even more violent.



The two steel stair shots to Undertaker’s skull are two of the most violent stair shots I’ve seen in wrestling. The sound of the stair bouncing off Taker's skull was sickening to hear. Undertaker’s created one of the most grotesque scenes ever with his blade job. Absolute carnage was Brock's domination. Lesnar was put over so huge it's ridiculous.

The "crimson mask," his exhausted facial expressions all help make his babyface and peril performance in this bloodletting look astounding. What I've always loved about Undertaker's selling in the last decade is how he portrays a beaten down man whose will to fight to the very end won't die even when his body does.

The Tombstone countered into the F-5 is a phenomenal finish and the best way to end the match proving to everyone at the time that NO ONE is like Brock Lesnar. No happy endings here. The monster destroys the legend.





**** 3/4

What a hellacious performance from both men in one of the greatest Hell in a Cell matches ever.
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The Undertaker vs. Triple H
Wrestlemania 27


It's been well over a year and half since this match happened. Watching this live on ppv, I thought it was absolutely incredible. On first watch I seriously contemplated giving it the full 5 stars. I thought it was THAT good. Now, on this day, I think it's time to finally give it a proper rewatch and see how it holds up. Oh how feelings change...

First let's start with the good stuff. That being the beginning of the match. Instantly from the bell Trips looks on top of his game. He knows Taker normally charges straight for his opponent, so he decided to jump the gun and charges him first. Lands some nice looking body shots while managing to duck all of Taker's blows. Also, he counters old school and tosses him off the top rope. Nice little touches there, the Game knows his opponent well. Everything so far seemes to be done with much more force than a normal match. This one's sure as hell gonna be physical. Then we get on to some of the more memorable moments of the match; the spots. The backdrop off the announce table makes me cringe every time. Hunter could've easily broken a hip or severely damaged his back. The spinebuster through the announce table was something different and unexpected. Can't complain there. Essentially everything up to this exact point has been flat out awesome. They're destined to have an amazing match. BUT, I speak too soon.

Now the middle of the match. Man, I didn't realize how much this dragged. It started with a chokeslam for a 2 count. Ok, nothing wrong there. Well then we get a pedigree for a 2 count. No big deal, you knew that was gonna happen. Problem was at this point they're basically laying on the mat for at least 1-2 minutes after every big move. Now I know they've already taken a lot of punishment, but this isn't even selling anymore. It's just really really slow. Big move, near fall, lay down. I never realized all these complaints were actually true until now. What made it even worse was that FUCKING REF. I can't stand the way Scott Armstrong counts. It's so slow and deliberate, seemingly nothing is believable when it comes to nearfalls. The middle part of this match flat out sucked, I'll be honest. There were times when I just wanted to fast forward through it and not a single one of the pinfalls were believable finishes. But now that that's over, we get to the true aspect of why I loved this match so much at one time.

So we'll fast forward to Hunter's 3rd (and final) pedigree. He gets a 2 count of course (didn't believe this nearfall either) and seems to be thinking "what the hell do I have to do?" Then shit gets real. He grabs the chair and beats the living fuck out of Undertaker's back. Welts all across his side. Still Taker won't stay down. Taker stands up, gets WALLOPED over the head with the chair. Yeah, that was incredibly shocking considering that's been outlawed by the WWE. But see, these guys are the last outlaws. They don't give a fuck. So Taker's out in the middle of the ring. This is what puzzles me. Why wouldn't Triple H go for the cover? Instead he huddles in a corner, seemingly thinking to himself, "man, I'm gonna get fined for that shot..." No, but really. It's ok though because that would lead to one of the most amazing moments in all of Wrestlemania's history.

Taker is absolutely out of gas. He doesn't have the grip to go for the chokeslam, so Hunter's done fuckin around. It's TOMBSTONE time! Trips gives the signal, cleanly picks him up, and NAILS him with an absolutely perfect looking tombstone piledriver. This one's over folks. One, two, thr.. NO! The fucking Undertaker just kicked out. I kid you not, this was the ONLY time in 18 years I had EVER thought the streak was gonna be over. I still marked out on this watch, it still gave me goosebumps. Such an awesome moment. Problem was, as soon as he kicked out I knew there was not a chance in hell Triple H was walking out with a victory tonight. Time to resort to old measures.

Sledgehammer time? Not today, Paul. The Undertaker (sloppily) applies his Hell's Gate submission and chokes the life out of Hunter. The execution itself wasn't all that great but I'll be damned if they didn't do everything right past that moment. Hunter trying with absolutely everything he had to get out was fantastic. You could see the spot where he was going to attempt to pick Taker's entire body up and slam him but he just didn't have the strength. The crowd is eating this up of course, and when Triple H grabs the sledgehammer, you can hear thousands of people yell OH! over all the ruckus. As he slowly drops the hammer and his grip fades along with any ounces of strength he had left, you know the end is near.

Triple H taps at Wrestlemania... again. The last several minutes of this match are an absolutely amazing spectacle, there's no denying that. The symbolism behind the closing minutes is remarkable. Remember, Triple said he would end the streak or die trying, but in the end was Undertaker the real winner? Triple H walked out on his own power. Taker could not. As difficult as this match is to rate, I'm gonna do it. The beginning was great and the end was incredible, but the middle portion really drags it down imo. Still, what an amazing spectacle. Although nowhere near my MOTY list for 2011 list anymore, it's a great watch in spots.

*** 3/4
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