Haven't seen Cena/Batista since it happened so my memory of it is a bit hazy but I'm pretty sure I liked it more than I did Cena/Rock, and I liked Cena/Rock just fine. If I had to choose to re-watch one of the two it would definitely be Cena/Batista.
The Wrestlemania 21 match gets the correct rating most of the time. Anywhere from ****1/4 to ****3/4 sometimes. I have never seen someone give it the full 5.
The Wrestlemania 12 ironman match is very quickly becoming the most underrated match of all time. There was a time where it was called the greatest match of all time. Thats when it was overrated. These days though, its the most underrated match ever. I have seen low ratings anywhere from DUD to **1/2. Everyone these days is underrating it. When was the last time you have seen someone give it a ****1/2 or the full 5 stars? Hell, when was the last time someone gave it 4 stars? Everyone bitches on this match right now, but it is still a very solid match.
To me that's still pushing it too far for Angle/HBK, I'd go around ***1/4-***1/2 on last watch. I can see why people adore it though, but its still a match with both worker's flaws on display.
I really don't think the Ironman is that underrated, Yeah1993's thoughts are pretty much bang on point although I don't think its that good in most places. Early story of Michaels outwrestling Bret is well done, but then all the arm work used to weaken Bret is no sold from the second half of the match and that just renders everything prior to it pointless since it doesn't play a part in a sport or the overall story. Neither man really wanted to make the other look as good as they could and I just couldn't get into the match much at all. Admittedly I find Bret dull as dish water a lot of times these days so an hour of him was always going to be a struggle but yeah, there's plenty of Wrestlemania matches and other matches in general I'd point to as being way more underrated.
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Re: Official DVD/Match/Show Discussion Thread
Yeah, I enjoy him in the Austin matches and thought he was great in one of the Diesel matches where it was a total Bret formula match in slowly chopping down the big man. But yeah, 'mixing holds' Bret doesn't do much for me these days. It might be a stupid reason but it feels too clean and by the numbers, I've used Andy's point about comparing Arn and Bret when working a hold and that's still about as good a reason as I can muster for why I prefer watching guys like Arn, so much more going on in between holds to keep your interest going.
****3/4 for me..one of my favorite matches ever.
the only problem i have about the match that they didn't use the cell alot but overall it didn't hurt the match for me.
J.R:"Everybody claims to be an icon and claims to be something special,and maybe they were in their day
None will Ever surpass the Undertaker in my view"
Kurt Angle:"He is our leader, and I consider Undertaker the best ever"
Shawn Michaels:"Wrestling against Undertaker was the best professional experience of my life."
Triple H:"He is The Greatest Legend in the history of this business"
Michael Cole:"The biggest Smackdown and WWE superstar of all time,the legendary Undertaker".
Mark Henry:"it's hard not to put The Undertaker in the same breath as Hogan and Rock because not only has he served more years as them, but collectively, I'm sure he's sold out and made more money than all of them."