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Old 12-13-2012, 01:46 PM   #11171 (permalink)
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HHH/Brock was awesome, totally exceeded my extremely low expectations (low because of Trips being in the match lol). Not as good as Brock/Cena, but still probably a top 10 match for the year which is impressive since we've had some tremendous matches.
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Old 12-13-2012, 02:17 PM   #11172 (permalink)
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I don't give a lick about drawing power and have no intention of looking up numbers for cards and stuff any time soon because it bores. When I rank wrestlers I rank their 'work', as in what happens bell-to-bell. But I make different 'greatest of all time lists to most people. I don't include mic work or anything else. BUT, if I were to rank the greatest wrestlers of all time, including everything and anything, of course drawing power would have to come into play. Mick Foley is a far better wrestler and mic worker than the Rock, but he wasn't as big a draw, didn't hit the same peak the Rock did, wasn't as influential, wasn't as big a star, or any of that, so I wouldn't rank Foley above the Rock on a list LIKE THAT. The Rock takes that one easily. Jerry Lawler was a better wrestler and mic worker than Hulk Hogan, but Lawler > Hogan on an 'everything and anything' list would, to be perfectly frank, be kinda silly. He's Hulk Hogan.

I would never be interested in making a list like that because I'm a match guy. I watch primarily matches and when talking 'one wrestler better than the other' I'm talking about whether they are a better worker or not. There are way, way more than one types of 'greatest of all time discussion', and I really don't care about all but one of them. 'Total package' barely even means anything to me even if I do really enjoy promos. I do enjoy reading others' thoughts and lists, but I couldn't imagine myself making one that branches outside of 'How they work a match'.

It all depends what criteria you want to use, but if you talk everything and anything then of course drawing power is a major part of that. I have just never been interested because finding out how many people came to see who has bored me more often than not. My 'greatest of all time' lists have different criteria then a lot others.
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Wrestling skill is so subjective though. What if I prefer Savage's character work in his matches over say Steven Regal's technical wrestling or mat work skills? Do I rank Regal higher because he's technically the better wrestler? I guess it will always be a subjective discussion. An interesting discussion none-the-less.
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Old 12-13-2012, 02:42 PM   #11174 (permalink)
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Cena-Lesnar from Extreme Rules is like a top TEN company match for me ever, so like... Obviously it's my MOTY , with Punk-Bryan KIND OF close (since it's almost ***** too believe it or not), and some others (HHH-Lesnar, HHH-Taker, Punk-Jericho WM) in the distance. FUCK. When I'm done this project I'm going to see all of this again.

In regards to Punk being better than Benoit & Guerrero in the ring ; he ISN'T. Is he THAT far off ? Nope, I really believe he isn't despite how much some people may hate that idea. If I were to say who's the better TOTAL PACKAGE of the three however ; the discussion would get really interesting between Guerrero and Punk.

I went back through the years and started GRADING guys out of 20 ; out of 10 for their in-ring skills, and out of 10 for their mic work, to determine who is the best "total package" in history, as well as breaking the list down into tiers. You can only be a "total package" in my eyes by having a 7.5 or over in both categories, so although they're better than some of these guys and SCORED HIGHER, (Benoit & Bret come to mind) they didn't average out well enough to make the cut. I'm talking about people who can wrestle just as good as they can cut promos.

The "Ric Flair" Tier

Ric Flair (Obviously) : 10/10 In-Ring , 10/10 Mic skills.

Ric Flair is the Greatest Wrestler of all time in my eyes. I've made that well known to pretty much everybody out there that will read my stuff, and as far as perfection comes in the industry, whether it be consistency OR great primes, Flair has EVERYBODY beaten. If I listed my top 10 GOAT matches, Flair would be in atleast 4 of them, and if I listed my top 10 promos ever, he might be in half of them. I just LOVE the guy.

The "Nearly Damn Perfect All Around" Tier

Steve Austin : 9/10 In-Ring, 9/10 Mic 18 total
Eddie Guerrero : 9.75 In-Ring, 8.25 Mic 18 total

The "All Time Great" Tier

Randy Savage : 9/10 In-Ring, 8.5 Mic 17.5 Total
Mick Foley : 8/10 In-Ring, 9.75/10 Mic 17.75 Total
CM Punk : 8.75 In-Ring, 8.75 Mic 17.5 Total
The Undertaker : 8.5 In-Ring, 7.5 Mic 16 Total
Triple H : 8.25 In Ring, 7.75 Mic 16 Total

The "CLOSE To All Time Greatness" Tier

John Cena : 8 In-Ring, 7.5 Mic 15.5 Total
Shawn Michaels : 8 In-Ring, 7.5 Mic 15.5 Total
Chris Jericho : 7.5 In-Ring, 8/10 Mic 15.5 Total

Probably missing alot of guys, but those are probably the 10 guys that I'd consider to be the best all-around talent that the WWE has ever seen. Guys like Benoit (10 In-Ring, 6 Mic) , Bret (9.75 In Ring, 7 Mic), and BACKLUND (9.5 In Ring, 7 Mic) would have a higher overall score (this being BETTER) than nearly half of the guys on my list, but it's a "complete packages" list so whatever.

In regards to Punk ; I think he definitely has a shot to hit that "Top 5 Total Package" status and beat out Savage & Foley in the future if he can. Personally, if he went out and had the same past two years in terms of match quality and promos for the NEXT 2-3 years, I could probably justify in my own mind putting him second. I don't think we'll ever see another Nature Boy, the Michael Jordan of wrestling in my eyes.

TRUST ME... I know how flawed alot of this is, so don't get on my case for it Now it's off to watch some HBK-HHH
You need more Terry Funk in your life, trust me you won't regret it. Funk's in that all time great tier.
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Old 12-13-2012, 02:59 PM   #11175 (permalink)
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That's it ; I HAVE to order Summerslam 2012 for DAT BORK-TRIPS MATCH.

One of my all-time dream matches, which is probably why I think it's the 3rd greatest match of the year, and above the HHH-Taker HIAC

I LOVE Terry Funk, don't get me wrong. I've def have him up there with the GOAT if I say more of him besides his 87-present material (which is still awesome). Like I said before though, disregard those rankings entirely, it's probably the most retarded thing I've ever written... The GOAT debate is completely subjective to what an individual defines as being the GOAT.

If I were to pick somebody to be the Michael Jordan/Wayne Gretzky of wrestling, I'd choose DA TRUE GOAT
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Old 12-13-2012, 03:03 PM   #11176 (permalink)
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HHH/Brock was awesome, totally exceeded my extremely low expectations (low because of Trips being in the match lol). Not as good as Brock/Cena, but still probably a top 10 match for the year which is impressive since we've had some tremendous matches.
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Now that you mention it, I need to come up with a top 10 list for 2012. Barring a huge surprise this Sunday, I think it's safe to solidify my list.
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Old 12-13-2012, 03:04 PM   #11177 (permalink)
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Bork-H was meh. I gave it about *** 1/2. A little underwhelming. Summerslam was an okay even though....even though I hate triple threats.
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Old 12-13-2012, 03:06 PM   #11178 (permalink)
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Downloaded WM 28 earlier. Now I can finally watch the HIAC and Bryan/Punk OTL matches back to back to finally decide which is MOTY .
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That's a good idea. Two completely different matches with two completely different atmospheres. Loving the polar opposites being neck and neck for MOTY. As of now, I'm still leaning towards HIAC.

A somewhat related aside: I've seen lots of people knock Michaels' acting in HIAC. I, for one, thought it only added to the drama of the match.
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Old 12-13-2012, 03:15 PM   #11180 (permalink)
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I too thought it was great. Complete overacting no doubt, but hey, that's HBK!
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