[King Kenny]

I'll have to watch that Rollins/Ambrose series some time.

[Big Z]

Rollins/Ambrose is a great series. Downloaded a torrent with all of Ambrose's FCW matches last week .

[FluxCapacitor]

Off XWT? I was considering downloading it, but I decided against it because I can't imagine there being that many "must see" matches, other than the Rollins series and the matches with Regal. Report back plz, Cal.

[Big Z]

By the time I get around to watching them you probably won't care any more . I've had the matches for a week and only re-watched the Regal matches .

I am interested in the Sandow match though...

[zep81]

British wrestling doc on BBC4 tonight @ 9pm:

Timeshift: Wrestling's golden age, Grapplers, Grunts & Grannie.

[Big Z]

Ambrose Vs Sandow - FCW 11/12/2011

15 minute title match thingy. Really fucking good. Sandow's theme in FCW was awesome.



Both guys are heels so they don't care about being nice and shit. Sandow considers himself above Ambrose, so Ambrose starts playing with him, countering his shit and doing all the same stuff right back to him as well as screaming "I'm a god of wrestling". Ambrose is a vicious bastard, so Sandow has to up his game, and he starts with a nice sequence on the outside where he throws him into the guard rail and apron over and over then into the steps. Might be enough to stop most people, but Ambrose welcomes that kind of aggression, and SLAPS Sandow in the fact the moment he gets back up, almost like he was demanding that Sandow doesn't stop there. So Sandow knocks him off the apron into the guard rail again, then his a swinging neck breaker for the first fall! That takes up the first half of the match and I loved every second of it. Ambrose's character shines, and Sandow steps up his game and becomes the vicious bastard that you kinda NEED to be in order to stand toe to toe with Ambrose.

Finish is just incredible. Sandow plays up on the fact that Ambrose doesn't give a fuck (the commentators mention that he said that in an interview last week); he exposes a turnbuckle, then "attempts" to throw Ambrose into it but the ref keeps stopping him. After a few attempts Ambrose gets the upper hand and smashes Sandows head into it... causing a DQ and putting Sandow up 2-0 with only 30 seconds left! Ambrose realises that Sandow essentially tricked him, making him go down 2 falls with no time left to make them back. So Ambrose makes it 3-0 by smashing Sandow's face into the turnbuckle a second time! Match end, and Ambrose continues to just murder Sandow's face! Ha. Sandow thought he got the better of Ambrose, but Ambrose only cares about pain, so Sandow's game plan might have won him the match, but it cost him in the end. Regal Stretch using the 15 minute title medal thingy just to finish things off .

So yeah this is great. ***3/4, maybe ****. I dunno. I like stars and all, but fuck, I just can't place stars on certain matches these days.

[Choke2Death]

I was away for a half day and as usual, a bunch of pages have come up. To catch up, I'll go on with the following.

HHH/HBK SummerSlam 02 - ****1/2
HHH/HBK/Benoit Backlash 04 - ****1/2

And I know some would rather not bring back this subject but I have to leave my opinion here before moving on regarding the greatest of all time in no specific order: (some older names like Savage are left out due to my ignorance on their greatness)

Austin (8.5 in ring, 10 on mic) - 18.5 pts
Flair (9 in ring, 10 on mic) - 19 pts
Foley (8 in ring, 10 on mic) - 18 pts
The Rock (8 in ring, 10 on mic) - 18 pts
HHH (8 in ring, 8 on mic) - 16 pts
Benoit (15 in ring, 6.5 on mic) - 21.5 pts
Jericho (8 in ring, 8 on mic) - 16 pts
HBK (9 in ring, 8 on mic) - 17 pts
Cena (8 in ring, 8.5 on mic) - 16.5 pts
Bret Hart (9 in ring, 7 on mic) - 16 pts
Angle (8.5 in ring, 8.5 on mic) - 17 pts
Eddie (9 in ring, 8.5 on mic) - 17.5 pts
Undertaker (9 in ring, 8 on mic) - 17 pts
Hogan (6.5 in ring, 7.5 on mic) - 14 pts
Mysterio (9 in ring, 6 on mic) - 15 pts
Orton (9 in ring, 7 on mic) - 16 pts

In conclusion: Benoit is the greatest of all time because total points exceeds past the limit of 20.

[The Beast Incarnate]

Originally Posted by Choke2Death

I was away for a half day and as usual, a bunch of pages have come up. To catch up, I'll go on with the following.

HHH/HBK SummerSlam 02 - ****1/2
HHH/HBK/Benoit Backlash 04 - ****1/2

And I know some would rather not bring back this subject but I have to leave my opinion here before moving on regarding the greatest of all time in no specific order: (some older names like Savage are left out due to my ignorance on their greatness)

Austin (8.5 in ring, 10 on mic) - 18.5 pts
Flair (9 in ring, 10 on mic) - 19 pts
Foley (8 in ring, 10 on mic) - 18 pts
The Rock (8 in ring, 10 on mic) - 18 pts
HHH (8 in ring, 8 on mic) - 16 pts
Punk (640 in ring, 639 on mic) - 1279 pts
Jericho (8 in ring, 8 on mic) - 16 pts
HBK (9 in ring, 8 on mic) - 17 pts
Cena (8 in ring, 8.5 on mic) - 16.5 pts
Bret Hart (9 in ring, 7 on mic) - 16 pts
Angle (8.5 in ring, 8.5 on mic) - 17 pts
Eddie (9 in ring, 8.5 on mic) - 17.5 pts
Undertaker (9 in ring, 8 on mic) - 17 pts
Hogan (6.5 in ring, 7.5 on mic) - 14 pts
Mysterio (9 in ring, 6 on mic) - 15 pts
Orton (9 in ring, 7 on mic) - 16 pts

In conclusion: Benoit is the greatest of all time because total points exceeds past the limit of 20.

Fixed

I know you didn't intend to say that Orton = Eddie/GOAT/Bret in the ring, but it's just like when I did it ; I couldn't find a common ground. If you review a WRESTLER, it should take you like a month of watching matches and promos to come to a conclusion. That's why I stick to rating matches, and why my "Rankings" were terrible

Just up, going for a drive or some ish then coming back and watching some more HHH-HBK. What I need to know first (background research) is what you would rate the following matches

RR 04 LMS
BB 04 HIAC
TT 04
Tribute to the Troops 05

Depending how much time I get, could finish this tonight... I doubt it because I'm going out with the GF and doing Christmas shit so whatever

[Choke2Death]

Flair is a bit too limited for my taste. That's why I wont give him the full 10. But he's no doubt one of the greatest and arguably THE greatest too. I do think that I might have overrated Orton's ring abilities, though. 8.5 sounds more like it.

Now moving on, the HHH/HBK matches:

Last Man Standing (Royal Rumble 04) - *** - A huge attempt at forcing it to be OHSOEPIC. Some good spots and moments but they should have let the match work naturally rather than go over the top with how epic it's supposed to be.
Hell in a Cell (Bad Blood 04) - ** - I'll be dead before I EVEEEEEEEEEER watch this match again. So fucking boring. Terrible feud (this rehashed one anyways) and terrible match. Worst of all, it's BORING terrible and not HUMOROUSLY bad like Steiner/Hunter.
Taboo Tuesday 04 - ***1/4 - Not really into it but the leg work is excellent. I was just a bit too indifferent to care enough.
Tribute to the Troops 05 - N/A - Haven't seen it yet.

[Clique]

One of the best parts of Flair's skill as an in-ring performer is to make a talent look like gold when he would tour across the country in various territories, and in his main staple in the NWA/JCP/WCW. Consider his work with Sting, Lex Luger, Brian Pillman, Ron Garvin, Kerry Von Erich, Butch Reed, and many others and you can see how his style of working matches could be applied and formed to fit different stories for whatever wrestler Flair wrestled that evening. Flair's classics with Steamboat were vastly different from the clinics he put on with Windham or Funk or Savage or Vader. Some may view Flair's signature bumps and antics as tried or "limited" but many fans got a kick out of seeing their favorite Flair spot and many wrestlers got over that night because of it. Flair was really a master at it.