A certain match from Wrestlemania 12 and a certain match from Wrestlemania 21 would be bigger candidates for more overrated IMO.
Cena/Batista isn't blowaway awesome, but I dug it as two big dudes beating the shit out of each other, some fairly impressive counters and transitions and the callback spot to Cena's injury at Summerslam 2008. Far from a great match but I think there's enough in there for it to hold its own as a good main event match compared to say Orton/HHH, HHH/Cena/Orton from 24, Orton/Angle/Rey from 22, Cena/JBL, HHH/Batista etc.
The Wrestlemania 21 match gets the correct rating most of the time. Anywhere from ****1/4 to ****3/4 sometimes. I have never seen someone give it the full 5.
The Wrestlemania 12 ironman match is very quickly becoming the most underrated match of all time. There was a time where it was called the greatest match of all time. Thats when it was overrated. These days though, its the most underrated match ever. I have seen low ratings anywhere from DUD to **1/2. Everyone these days is underrating it. When was the last time you have seen someone give it a ****1/2 or the full 5 stars? Hell, when was the last time someone gave it 4 stars? Everyone bitches on this match right now, but it is still a very solid match.
Around the same level as the Wrestlemania match, maybe slightly better, meaning it's a good match but not a great one. Does anyone else think Kane has improved as a worker since his return? I haven't seen a bad match from him since I started back watching wrestling. That's not saying a whole lot because I've only seen his three PPV bouts this year and now this SmackDown street fight with Orton but he's looked good in all of them.
Punk is the wrestler of the year by a distance at this point.
Kane really has done well since his return he feels very agile and whilst alot of people doubted him when he was facing Orton at Wrestlemania I knew it would be an at least decent match. And it was and so was the Smackdown brawl.
I actually only made those comments to get an answer out of him, which worked. You have the complete opposite opinions to me I think, TJC. Would you say that you aren't a fan of the slower pace of wrestling? Have you seen much Memphis work from the 70's/80's? Or is it more of a 'just not liking it because it is The Undertaker' kinda thing?
No, I have not seen any of the Memphis work from any year (unless WWE has done televised shows from the city.) I can be very into "slower" wrestling though. I also don't think it is just b/c of who it is; As I said before, there was a time I was a fan of the man's work & a few of his individual matches... Just none in recent memory.
Also, while I'm at it, I'll answer what Macho said: I am here to discuss pro wrestling b/c I like a lot of it, & I like to discuss my opinions on it & those of others. If you don't get that, Macho, then you are "way off homie".
Lastly, I agree that the Kane-Orton match on "SD" was better than the one at Mania. (Much like the Undertaker now, I was once famous on the Net for my dislike of Orton, but have enjoyed him for a while now.)
A question, what do people think is better? Batista/Cena from Mania 26 or Rock/Cena from Mania 28?
Rock/Cena. Both matches were like clash of titans encounters (neither as good as Taker/Batista) but I enjoyed Rock/Cena much more. The atmosphere is better, Cena is better, Rock is better than Batista here and I thought it was structured better. I love how Rock went back to his Maivia days with the cross body and how Cena got overconfident and lost it all in the end.
I think Rock/Cena would've been loads better if they just cut the bout down to 20 minutes (and maybe dispense with the terrible Bearhugs). There was no need to go 30.
I can't recall a single match I ever saw a reason for the bearhugs. That said, I would have had no problem with that match (like Bryan/Sheamus) being longer, so long as they change the way it ended (not who won, but how).
A couple of things I really liked in Cena/Batista was the callback spot when Batista caught Cena off the top rope and slammed him like he did when he broke his neck at SSlam 08. And I like when Cena did the 'conquering his demons spot' when he hit the Five Knuckle Shuffle off the top rope on Batista.
Also agree with Hohenheim. Checking the reuslts for WMX8, Rock/Hogan went 16:23 and did pretty much everything better than this year's match. I can't imagine Rock/Hogan for 30 minutes in 2002 being better than Rock/Cena for 30 minutes in 2012. Should have chopped like half of Rock/Cena.
Lil' bit I wrote on Hart/Shawn recently:
looked eh from the beginning. Bret's control segments- hell, in the whole match- were pretty dull. Kept this regular lock on and did nothing special except move his head and look around. I thought outside of the dry areas, this is a pretty damn good match. It honestly could have been great had they shaved off 35 minutes and took Shawn out-doing Bret, some struggles, the time-keeper bump, Bret going a little mad on Michaels and Lothario, and the exhaustion moment where HBK couldn't even capitalize on his first superkick. Bret going back to a headlock with 8 minutes remaining makes sense b/c he thought a draw would keep him the Title, but...you've gone fifty minutes, none of the last ten should be a rest-hold. Not a great match, but the hour wasn't long and dragging, mostly.
All in all good, but Piper/Goldust from the same night is better. Irom man would probably look like an excellent match with a well done JIP-job.